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<note 1 of 5> 1992 by Richard S. Millard The Wheel of Time An Introductory Chronology and Prosopography October 30, 1992

This paper attempts to construct a general chronology     

for the major events of the thirty years preceding the action of The Wheel of Time, and to establish some basic biographical facts regarding the major characters. A future paper will present a detailed chronology of the years 997-998 NE, in which the events described in the books occur. This paper also notes and attempts to correct a few minor inconsistencies and errors in the books. In this paper the following abbreviations will be used

   EW - The Eye of the World                              
   GH - The Great Hunt                                    
   DR - The Dragon Reborn                                 
        SR - The Shadow Rising                            

l page citations will be to the hardcover editions; chapter citations will be provided for the benefit of readers using other editions.

1.  Known Dates. This chronology will be based on         

three known dates given in the Glossary and which are assumed to be correct (a) the Aiel War commenced in 976 NE and ended in 978 NE (SR p.684, Glossary under "Aiel War"); (b) Tigraine, the Daughter-Heir of Andor, disappeared in 972 NE (DR p. 593, Glossary under "Tigraine"; and © the false dragon Logain was active in 997 NE (SR p.689, Glossary under "Dragon, false"). It is also stated in the Glossary that Siuan Sanche was elevated to the Amyrlin Seat in 985 NE (DR p. 591, Glossary under "Siuan Sanche"; note, however, that this date was not included in the SR Glossary entry). However, for the reasons stated below, this appears to be an error and has been disregarded. An alternative date is suggested below.

2.  Date of Action.  As noted above, the Glossary         

indicates that the false dragon Logain was active in 997 NE. Since Logain began his war and was captured and gentled during the action of The Eye of the World (EW p. 167, ch. 14 and p. 496, ch. 39) we know that Moiraine's first visit to Emond's Field occurred in the spring of 997 NE. This date is consistent with statements that the Aiel war was "nearly twenty years ago" (GH p. 108-109, ch. 8, and SR p. 117, ch. 8), with Moiraine's statement that she and the Amyrlin have known of the birth of the Dragon Reborn for "nearly twenty years" (GH p. 52, ch. 5), and with the statement during the second year of the action that Gitara Moroso, the former Keeper of the Chronicles who died at the time of the Dragon's rebirth, has been dead twenty years (SR p. 29, ch. 1). As discussed below, this date is also consistent with the ages given for the major characters.

3.  Biographical Data.  On the basis of the dates given   

above, and the other biographical data cited below, we can develop the following brief biographies (a) Rand al'Thor. Rand was born on Dragonmount in the battle that ended the Aiel War (see, for example, EW p. 73, ch. 6 and GH p. 109, ch. 8). It was winter and snowing at the time (GH p. 108, ch. 8). Rand was therefore born in the winter of 978 NE, and is 19 at the time of the

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<note 2 of 5> attack on Emond's Field. This is consistent with the statements that he, Mat and Perrin are "not yet 20" (EW, p. 438, ch. 34), that Moiraine and Siuan Sanche have been searching for him for "nearly 20 years" (GH, p. 52, ch. 5) and that his birth was "nearly 20 years ago" (GH p. 108, ch. 8). Rand is the younger son of Tigraine, Daughter-Heir of Andor, who disappeared in 972 NE, joined the Maidens of the Spear that same year, and was adopted into the Chumai sept of the Taardad Aiel. (For his resemblance to Tigraine, see DR p. 373, ch. 39; DR p. 446, ch. 45; and SR p. 267, ch. 23; for the story of his mother's journey to the Waste and acceptance by the Aiel, see SR p. 392, ch. 34 and p. 664, ch. 57). Rand is half-brother to Galadedrid Damodred (see below), the son of Tigraine and Taringail Damodred, and is the nephew of Tigraine's brother, Luc, who disappeared in the Blight in 971 NE (GH p. 590, Glossary under "Luc"). Rand's father was Janduin, of the Iron Mountain sept of the Taardad Aiel (SR p. 664, ch. 57), clan chief of the Taardad and leader of the Aiel in the Aiel War. Janduin was killed in the Blight, probably by Rand's uncle Luc, shortly after the end of Aiel War (SR p. 393, ch. 34). Rand was found on the slopes of Dragonmount following the last battle of the Aiel War (EW p. 73, ch. 6; GH p. 109-110, ch. 8) by Tam al'Thor, a shepherd and farmer from the Two Rivers, who had left home to join the army of Illian. Tam al'Thor had served in the Whitecloak War and two wars with Tear, had become a blademaster, a master of the sword, and had risen to Second Captain of the Companions (GH p. 105, ch. 8), an elite unit of the army of Illian that accompanied the general of an army and were used as shock troops at the key points of battles (SR p. 505, ch. 45). After serving with the army of Illian in the Aiel War, Tam al'Thor returned to the Two Rivers with his wife, Kari, from Caemlyn, and Rand, still an infant (GH p. 105, ch. 8). (b) Perrin Aybara. Since we know that Perrin was born "within weeks" of Rand (EW p. 94, ch. 8), he must have been born sometime in the winter of 978 NE, and is also 19 when the story begins. Perrin was raised on a farm half a day east of Emond's Field, almost to the Waterwood, and is the oldest of four children. His younger siblings, Adora, b. 982, Deselle, b. 986 and Paetram, b. 989 (SR p. 327, ch. 29) are killed by Trollocs in 998 NE. Perrin has been apprenticed to Haral Luhan, the blacksmith of Emond's Field. © Matrim Cauthon. Mat Cauthon was also born "within weeks" of Rand al'Thor (EW p. 94, ch. 8), in 978, and is therefore 19 at the time of Moiraine's first visit to Emond's Field at Winternight, 997. Mat is the son of Abell and Natti Cauthon and the oldest of three children. His younger sisters, Eldrin and Bodewhin, together with their mother, are captured and held by Whitecloaks in The Shadow Rising, until rescued by Perrin Aybara. (d) Egwene al'Vere. We know that Egwene is two years younger than Rand (EW p. 35, ch. 3, GH p. 31, ch. 3 and SR p. 57, ch. 2). She must therefore have been born in 980 NE, and would be 17 when we first meet her. She is the youngest daughter of Brandelwyn ("Bran") al'Vere, proprietor of the Winespring Inn and mayor of Emond's Field, and his wife Marin (SR p. 329, ch. 29). (e) Nynaeve al'Meara. In Nynaeve's case, errors and

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<note 3 of 5> inconsistencies in the books present some problems. On the one hand, we are told that Nynaeve is seven years older than Egwene (DR p. 515, ch. 51), which would place her birth in 973 NE. This is consistent with her statement that she can "just remember" Tam and Kari al'Thor returning with Rand to Emond's Field (EW p. 202, ch. 16; she would have been about five at the time) and that she is "only a few years older" than Rand (GH p. 70, ch. 6), just enough older to have looked after him when he was little (GH, p. 115, ch. 8). She would then have been 24 at the time of Moiraine's visit to Emond's Field. On the other hand, we are also told that Nynaeve is up to a year older than Galad (DR p. 150, ch. 16). Since Galad cannot have been born after 972 (when his mother, Tigraine, disappeared) and was likely born somewhat earlier (see below), this would place Nynaeve's birth in approximately 971 NE or even earlier. This would make her at least nine years older than Egwene and at least 26 at the time she first meets Moiraine. Since Nynaeve's youth is emphasized so strongly (for example, Moiraine calls her "child" at their first meeting, EW p. 20, ch. 2, and she is described as "little more than a girl", GH p. 47, ch. 4), the 973 date seems somewhat more likely. On the basis of this date, Nynaeve is at least one and more likely two or three years younger than Galad. Nynaeve's parents are dead, and she seem to have no siblings (EW p. 196, ch. 16). When the books begin, she is the Wisdom of Emond's Field (EW p. 7, ch. 1), having served her apprenticeship with the previous Wisdom, Mistress Barran (EW p. 268, 270, ch. 21). (f) Elayne. Elayne, of House Trakand, the Daughter-Heir of Andor, is approximately the same age as Egwene al'Vere (GH p. 300, ch. 24) and approximately two years younger than Rand al'Thor (EW p. 499, ch. 40). Accordingly, we may place her birth in 980 NE. She would be 17 when she first meets Rand. She is the daughter of Queen Morgase and Taringail Damodred, the sister of Gawyn and the half-sister of Galad, and is Moiraine Damodred's niece (see below). (g) Gawyn. Gawyn is slightly older than Elayne (EW p. 499, ch. 40), and "much like" Rand in age (GH p. 392, ch. 32). He must therefore have been born in approximately 978 NE, and would be about 19 when the story begins. He is the son of Queen Morgase and Taringail Damodred, the brother of Elayne, the half-brother of Galad and Moiraine's nephew. (h) Galad. Galadedrid Damodred is the son of Tigraine and Taringail Damodred, and must therefore have been born before Tigraine disappeared in 972 NE. Unless Tigraine abandoned Galad before his first birthday, he must actually have been born in 971 NE or even earlier. If we accept the latest of the possible dates for Nynaeve's birth (see above), then Galad must be the older of the two. Of course, it is possible that the date given for Tigraine's disappearance is incorrect (if she disappeared later, then Galad could be younger), but since Tigraine (Shaiel) appeared in the Aiel Waste in 972 (four years before "Laman's Sin" and the beginning of the Aiel War in 976 NE, SR p.392, ch. 34), the 972 date for her disappearance appears to be correct. Galad must be at least 25/26 when we first meet him. Galad is the older

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<note 4 of 5> half-brother of both Prince Gawyn of Andor and of Rand al'Thor, and is Moiraine's nephew. (i) Moiraine Damodred. Moiraine Damodred is Taringail Damodred's youngest half-sister, and King Laman's niece (SR p. 194, ch. 17). She is therefore the aunt of Taringail's children Galad, Gawyn and Elayne (although her niece and nephews appear to be unaware of this relationship), and sister-in-law to Queen Morgase. She is an Aes Sedai of the Blue Ajah, having been raised to the shawl shortly after the end of the Aiel War in 978 NE (GH p. 270, ch. 22). Since she must have been in her late 20s at the time, she would be in her late 40s, perhaps 46-48, at the time of her first visit to Emond's Field. She is a close friend of Siuan Sanche, the Amyrlin Seat, with whom she was a novice in the White Tower. (j) al'Lan Mandragoran. Lan is the son of al'Akir Mandragoran and his queen el'Leanna, the last king and queen of Malkier (EW p. 595-597, ch. 47). He has been Moiraine Sedai's Warder for "nearly 20 years", since Moiraine was raised to the shawl shortly after the end of the Aiel War (GH p. 270, ch. 22). It appears that Lan is approximately the same age as Moiraine, which would be consistent with Nynaeve's observation that Lan is old enough to be her father (GH p. 114, ch. 8), and with Lord Agelmar's statement that the fall of Malkier, when Lan was an infant, was "fewer than 50 years ago" (EW p. 595, ch. 47). Therefore Lan would also be approximately 46-48 at the time of the first visit to Emond's Field. (k) Aviendha. Aviendha is approximately the same age as Egwene and Elayne (DR p. 360, ch. 38). We may assume that she was born in approximately 980, and thus, like Egwene and Elayne, is approximately 18 when they meet in The Dragon Reborn during 998 NE. Aviendha is described in several locations (DR p. 361, ch. 38 and SR p. 686, Glossary under "Aviendha") as being of the "Bitter Water" sept of the Taardad; the reference to "Nine Valleys" in The Shadow Rising (SR p. 158, ch. 12) is erroneous. (l) Siuan Sanche. Siuan Sanche, the Amyrlin Seat, is the daughter of a poor fisherman's family from the Maule, the port district of Tear (GH p. 46, ch. 4). We are told at least twice, once in 997 NE and once in 998, that she has been the Amyrlin Seat for nearly ten years (GH p. 46, ch. 4; DR p. 116, ch. 12). Later in 998 we are told that she has been Amyrlin for over ten years (SR p. 23, ch. 1). If she had been raised in 985, as stated in the Glossary (DR, p.591, Glossary under "Siuan Sanche"), she would have been Amyrlin 12 or 13 years at the time of these statements. Accordingly, the Glossary date must be wrong (and in fact, the date has been removed from the Glossary in The Shadow Rising). The correct date would seem to be 988, with her tenth anniversary occurring sometime between the statements in The Dragon Reborn and The Shadow Rising. (m) Thom Merrilin. We know little of Thom Merrilin, except that he is a former Court Bard at the court of Andor, in Caemlyn, and an adept player of the Game of Houses. He became the lover of Queen Morgase of Andor in the early 980s, after the death of Taringail Damodred (which cannot have been much before the birth of Elayne in 980). He may have been responsible for the

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<note 5 of 5> death of Taringail, who seems to have been plotting to kill the Queen and seize power in Andor (SR p. 194, ch 17). His nephew Owyn was captured and gentled by the Red Ajah in approximately 983 (SR p. 77 ch. 4; p. 195, ch. 17), and Thom's attempts to interfere with this brought him afoul of Elaida and led to his breach with Queen Morgase. (n) Min. We know less of Min (Elmindreda) than of any other significant character - not even her last name. When we first meet her she is working at an inn in Baerlon, but we do not know whether this is her native city, and we know nothing of her family. She is described as "a little older" than Rand (EW p. 180, ch. 15), and Mat once described her, in jest, as "nearly as old as Nynaeve" (EW p. 569, ch 45). It is likely that Mat exaggerates, but Min is still likely to be a year or two older than Rand; say 20 or 21 when they first meet. (o) Zarine Bashere. Zarine (Faile) is the same age as Perrin (DR p. 318, ch. 33 and p. 333, ch. 35), 20 years old when they meet in The Dragon Reborn. She is the oldest surviving child of Davram, Lord of Bashere, Marshall-General of Saldea and uncle of Queen Tenobia; Faile is thus the Queen's cousin (SR p. 471, ch. 41). Since Queen Tenobia is eight years older than Faile (SR p. 649, ch. 56), the Queen would have been born in 970 NE, and would now be 28. Faile has at least one surviving sibling, a younger brother Maedin, now 18 (SR p. 472, ch. 41).

4.  General Chronological Table.  On the basis of the     

foregoing dates, we can construct the following general chronology for the years leading up to beginning of The Wheel of Time

   Year               Event                               

970 Queen Tenobia of Saldea born 971 Luc disappears in the Blight; [Galad born?] 972 Tigraine disappears; Shaiel joins Aiel 973 Nynaeve born 975 [The Sucession; contention for throne of Andor] 976 Laman's Sin; Aiel War begins 977 [Min born?] 978 Aiel War ends; Rand, Perrin, Mat, Gawyn, Faile

        born; Moiraine, Siuan Sanche raised to Aes Sedai; 
        Moiraine meets Lan                                

980 Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha, Maedin Bashere born 981 [Taringail Damodred dies?] 983 [Thom Merrilin's nephew Owyn gentled; Thom

        leaves Queen Morgase]                             

988 Siuan Sanche raised to Amyrlin Seat 997 The Eye of the World (spring)

             The Great Hunt (summer, fall)                

998 The Dragon Reborn (spring)

        The Shadow Rising (summer)                        
 It is remotely conceivable (if unlikely, given what we   

know of Morgase's character), that Thom's relationship with Morgase predated Taringail's death; even that Thom is in fact Gawyn's and Elayne's natural father. If this were the case, Elayne would be correct in her repeated insistence that Galad is not her brother.

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<note 1 of 18>

Please note that the words "maybe," "perhaps," and "I     

believe" are scattered in ample amounts in this analysis of the prophecies. I tried to include as many possibilities as I could think of and as many possibilities as other could think up. That still doesn't mean that we've hit on the right possibility. Just be sure to remember that no interpretation contained herein is 100% for sure correct…Also, if you have any ideas, please feel free to share them with me so I can add them to this analysis. Moiraine/Carolyn BJRK57C@prodigy.com

An Analysis of the Prophecies of the Wheel of Time (to be considered the compliment to the May 29, 1994 compilation by Carolyn Fusinato) June 29, 1994 by Carolyn Fusinato w/ help from the analysis by various individuals on aol (Aaron17, Jman214, TaxLaw) as well as from RS Millard's October, 92 compilation.

1. Histories from the Fourth Age.

       1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04                             

2. Prophecy.

  i. The Karaethon Cycle.                                 
    a. portions of the Karaethon Cycle as recounted by    
       various characters                                 
       2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 2.07, 2.08,    
       2.09, 2.10, 2.11                                   
    b. commentaries and translations from the Third Age   
       on the Karaethon Cycle                             
       2.12, 2.13, 2.14, 2.15, 2.16                       
 ii. prophecy pertaining to a certain people.             
    a. The Jendai Prophecy.                               
       2.17                                               
    b. The Prophecy of Rhuidean                           
       2.18, 2.19, 2.20, 2.21, 2.22, 2.23                 
iii. dark prophecy.                                       
       2.24                                               
    a. Verin's interpretation of the dark prophecy        
       2.25                                               
 iv. Prophecy of the Horn of Valere.                      
       2.26, 2.27, 2.28, 2.29                             

3. Foretellings.

 ii. Elaida's Foretellings.                               
       3.01, 3.02                                         
 ii. Diendre's Foretellings.                              
       3.03                                               
iii. Gitara Moroso's Foretellings.                        
       3.04, 3.05                                         

4. Dreams.

  i. Egwene's dreams.                                     
       4.01, 4.02, 4.03, 4.04, 4.05, 4.06                 
 ii. Perrin's dreams.                                     
       4.07, 4.08, 4.09                                   
iii. Wise One's dreams.                                   
       4.10, 4.11, 4.12, 4.13, 4.14, 4.15, 4.16, 4.17     
 iv. Morin's dreams                                       
       4.18                                               
  v. Sorelle's dreams.                                    
       4.19                                               
 vi. Rand's dreams.                                       
       4.20, 4.21, 4.22, 4.23, 4.24, 4.25, 4.26, 4.27,    

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<note 2 of 18>

       4.28, 4.29, 4.30, 4.31, 4.32                       

5. Visions.

  i. Min's visions.                                       
       5.01, 5.02, 5.03, 5.04, 5.05, 5.06, 5.07, 5.08,    
       5.09, 5.10, 5.11, 5.12, 5.13, 5.14, 5.15, 5.16     
 ii. Aelfinn's visions                                    
a. Mat's questions and the Eelfinn's answers              
       5.17                                               
b. What we know of Rand's answers                         
       5.18, 5.19, 5.20, 5.21, 5.22, 5.23, 5.24           
c. What we know of Moiraine's answers                     
       5.25, 5.26, 5.27, 5.28                             

6. Ter'angreal used by the Wise Ones in Rhuidean.

  i. Aviendha.                                            
       6.01, 6.02, 6.03, 6.04                             
 ii. Moiraine.                                            
       6.05, 6.06, 6.07                                   

7. Eelfinn.

       7.01, 7.02                                         
                                                          

1. Histories from the Fourth Age.

1.01 History of the breaking of the world. 1.02 "The mountain" must be Dragonmount. The portion that states that the Rand should "sing to the land that green things will grow and the valleys give forth lambs" may indicate that the song that the Tuatha'an are searching for will be found-perhaps by Rand. Artur Hawkwing's sword is named Justice, but the exerpt stating "the great sword of justice defend us" may merely be metephorical. "Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time" may have some relevance to Perrin's dream which concerns Rand (4.08). 1.03 The "Sword held in the Stone" is Callandor (obvious allusion to excalliber). It is interesting that it states that "no hand but his should wield…[Callandor]. This indicate that the theory that Logain will draw Callandor from the Heart of the Stone is only speculation. 1.04 Rand led the Aiel out of the Waste to battle with the Shaido and those that follwed Couladin.

2. Prophecy.

                                                          
  i. The Karaethon Cycle.                                 
    a. portions of the Karaethon Cycle as recounted by    
       various characters                                 

2.01 The Aiel also known as the People of the Dragon came to the Stone at the end of TDR they raided it, but Rand took the stone after he drew Callandor and after he defeated Ishamael. The Stone has fallen. 2.02 Could mean just about anything. The world is definately in tourmoil, but it cannot be described as "shattered" yet. Neither has he made it anew. 2.03 The first heron was received fighting Ishamael in one of the Mirrors while traveling with Hurin and Loial and hunting the horn in TGH. The second heron was received at the end of TGH when he fought Ishamael again in the mist above Falme. Here is where there is disagreement. Some contest that Rand has yet to be marked a second time by the Dragon. This is based partly on the fact that we are not sure what price he must pay. The first heron sent

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<note 3 of 18> him to Falme with the Horn. The second saw him named the Dragon Reborn. The first marking of the Dragon was for the lost remembrance of the Aiel's past as Da'shain, servants to the Aes Sedai. The theory is also based on some other prophesy, namely one of Perrin's dreams (4.08)and two of Egwene's dreams (4.02, 4.04). 2.04 "Twice dawns the day…" is probably the eclipse theory, but some think Rand will use balefire (even if he did, he wouldn't travel back in time, the time that elapsed just would not have happened.) "Once for mourning" may be Rand's death or someone elses. It's unclear. Once for birth, may be for the birth of the Fourth Age, or for the birth of Rand's supposed offspring. It has been speculated that by some off chance, Aviendha conceived. Not untirely unlikely…considering. "Red on black.." blood letting-Rand supposes that it will be from the wound he received in Falme- doesn't necessarily mean death. Rand will battle with the Dark One in the Pit of Doom. Some believe he will seal himself in with the Dark One this time. 2.05 Rand will face the Dark One in the Last Battle. 2.06 Perrin, Hurin, Ingtar, Mat and Rand rode into Falme, but Ingtar sacrificed himself so that they could escape alive. The watchers are probably the Do Miere A'vron in Falme where he was marked by the Heron the second time and fought Ishamael in the sky ("banner cross the sky in fire") causing him to be named the Dragon Reborn. 2.07 Rand's intentions were to lead the Aiel across the Dragonwall and bind the nations to him by concurring them with the Aiel. He hoped that this would give the world a short time of peace in which they could prepare for the coming of the Dark One. While in service to Rand for this purpose, they will apparently be slain in battle and then almost utterly at the upcoming Battle of Tar Valon. He has already begun destroying them with the leaf when he told them of their origins at the end of TSR. The Aiel once followed the Way of the Leaf. To the Aielman's way of thinking, their ancestors swore to be gai'shain and swore for all of their decendants to be gai'shain. In breaking their oath to the Aes Sedia, their ancestors broke ji'e'toh in taking up the spear, which is nearly the worst thing an Aiel can do. To "bind the nine moons to serve him" must refer to the Seanchan since the only nine moons mentioned is the Court of the Nine Moons which the Empress is reputed to lead. I would guess that the "wound of madness and cutting of hope" that he is to heal is the taint, however the taint isn't a "wound" of madness, but the precipitator of it. Perhaps it is the wound in his side. Egwene said that it felt as though it housed all the evil of the world. If it were filled with the taint, then it would be a wound filled "of madness." The cutting of hope may refer to the taint contained in it. I doubt it. The chains he has broken are those that connected Asmodean and Ishamael to the Dark One. He put Asmodean in chains when he recruted him as a teacher. 2.08 Rand's blood letting will free man from the Dark One. 2.09 "Power of the Shadow made human flesh, wakened to turmoil, strife and ruin." This must refer to the Forsaken. Rand "dances the sword in dreams and mist." The

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<note 4 of 18> fight in Falme is the dancing of the sword in the mist and he has fought with the sword in dreams many times. He secured Asmodean as his teacher, thus fulfilling the segment "…chains the Shadowsworn to his will…" "From the city, lost and forsaken…"-Rhuidean- he has led the Aiel to war w/ the Shaido in Cairhien. The Aiel are not broken yet, though he has told them of their ancestry. The ancient dream may be Tel'aran'rhiod or it may be the Tuath'an's dream to find the song, or it may be the Ter'angreal in Rhuidean that shows the Wise Ones and Clan Chiefs the Aiel's history. 2.10 The Karaethon prophecy makes no mention of Perrin or Mat. 2.11 "Into the heart…" Into the Heart of the Stone. "his sword…" Callandor. "to hold their hearts…" to assure the Tairens of his return thus securing his hold of Tear. "Who draws it out shall follow after,/What hand shall grasp that fearful blade?" It has been speculated that Logain would draw Callandor from the Stone. This line does indicate that someone other than the Dragon Reborn will draw Callandor. However, perhaps it means who will be the Dragon Reborn in the next age and is questioning what new face will Lews Therin/Rand al'Thor wear in the next age when he shall draw it from the Stone again.

    b. commentaries and translations from the Third Age   
       on the Karaethon Cycle                             

2.12 Nations shattering, the Dark One gains power in the world again…Lews Therin will be reborn as Rand al'Thor and be man's salvation in the Last Battle. This seems to be another translation of the same portion of the Karaethon Cycle that Siuan quoted (2.02). 2.13 interpretation of 2.06 2.14 Would seem to be another translation of the same passage that was translated in 2.12 and 2.02. 2.15 Another translation of the same passage as translated in 2.11, but it includes the portion that foretells Rand's birth by a Far Dareis Mai (Shaiel who is Tigraine). 2.16 Nothing vastly different from the previous passages besides one portion which states "The wall is pierced, and the veil of parting raised." Perhaps this is a reference to the Sharrans or perhaps only a part of it is. The wall may refer to Sharra or to the Shining Walls of Tar Valon.

                                                          
 ii. prophecy pertaining to a certain people.             
    a. The Jendai Prophecy.                               

2.17 Rand channels. Rand holds Callandor. The People of the Dragon have taken the stone (at his call?-not exactly…). The Stone of Tear has fallen, war…The Seanchan have returned and the Corenne was halted by Rand, the Whitecloaks, the Shienarans and the Heroes of the Horn in Falme for the first time. Evidently they will be driven back again as the wording would imply. Moiraine serves him, after a fashion, though none that I know of have knelt to wash his feet with their hair. That may be metephorical or it may come to pass to the letter. Whtever, it is a biblical allusion.

    b. The Prophecy of Rhuidean                           

2.18 If the Aiel fail to save the Aes Sedai from the Seanchan, the Aes Sedai will be captured and forced as

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<note 5 of 18> damane to slay the Aiel. 2.19 Rand came from the Two Rivers, but his biological father was Janduin. He went to Rhuidean and then lead them from Rhuidean to Cairhien to fight the Shaido. "Under this sign he will conquer" may have two meanings. First, he slew the Darkhounds under the ancient Aes Sedai symbol in Rhidean and then he took Cairhien under a banner with the symbol on it. Undoubtably both or either would satisfy the prophecy. 2.20 Dragon Reborn may not be the Car'a'carn, but he is… 2.21 "the stone that never falls…" Tear. He is Aiel by his father Janduin, but he was raised by the blood of Manetheren in the Two Rivers. He came out of Rhuidean at dawn and he has kept the Aiel together. "He will take you back" may refer to him taking the Aiel back across the Dragonwall or it may mean he will taken them back to serve Aes Sedai…"and he will destroy you…" Probably refers to his destroying them by telling them of the Da'shain. 2.22 "yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and they shall live." Rand will slay the Aiel in battle, perhaps against the nations or perhaps against the Seanchan at a battle at the footsteps of Tar Valon. 2.23 Aiel by Janduin, raised by the blood of Manetheren.

                                                          
iii. dark prophecy.                                       

2.24 Lanfear is loose. "ancient war" good vs. evil. "Her new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die, yet serve still…" may be Asmodean, or Rand, or not prophecy at all. Tar Valon will be taken. "death beyond dying" may support the sealed with the Dark One theory in that he would be sealed forever with no chance to be reincarnated to live again. "life eternal" would mean serving the Dark One. Luc and Isam(Luc is brother to Tigraine and disappeared into the blight a year before his sister disappeared. His House name is Mantear. Isam is the son of Breyen whose attempt to seize the throne of Malkier for her husband (Lain Mandragoran) resulted in Malkier's fall to the Blight) have some bond together probably not unlike the Padan Fain/Mordeth bond except one and thus both have access to Tel'aran'rhiod. It is speculated that like the meshed personality of Fain/Mordeth, Ordieth, Slayer is the meshed personality of Luc/Isam. The end of an age is coming ("Time of Change"). The Do Miere A'vron wait for the return of Artur Hawkwing's decendents. Hawkwing's decendents raze Almoth Plain ("the ancient tree"). "ancient wrong" may refer to those who failed who keep the Oaths and forgot about Uther and his expedition or it may refer to the Aiel because they abandoned the Way of the Leaf.

    a. Verin's interpretation of the dark prophecy        

2.25 explains most of Dark Prophecy. I basically restated it above.

                                                          
 iv. Prophecy of the Horn of Valere.                      

2.26 "In the last lorn fight, 'gainst the fall of long night…" clearly prophecizes the horn's fate to be used in the last battle to prevent the victory of the Dark One. "For the grave is no bar to my call." The horn can call the dead heroes from death so that they may fight in the

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<note 5 of 18> damane to slay the Aiel. 2.19 Rand came from the Two Rivers, but his biological father was Janduin. He went to Rhuidean and then lead them from Rhuidean to Cairhien to fight the Shaido. "Under this sign he will conquer" may have two meanings. First, he slew the Darkhounds under the ancient Aes Sedai symbol in Rhidean and then he took Cairhien under a banner with the symbol on it. Undoubtably both or either would satisfy the prophecy. 2.20 Dragon Reborn may not be the Car'a'carn, but he is… 2.21 "the stone that never falls…" Tear. He is Aiel by his father Janduin, but he was raised by the blood of Manetheren in the Two Rivers. He came out of Rhuidean at dawn and he has kept the Aiel together. "He will take you back" may refer to him taking the Aiel back across the Dragonwall or it may mean he will taken them back to serve Aes Sedai…"and he will destroy you…" Probably refers to his destroying them by telling them of the Da'shain. 2.22 "yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and they shall live." Rand will slay the Aiel in battle, perhaps against the nations or perhaps against the Seanchan at a battle at the footsteps of Tar Valon. 2.23 Aiel by Janduin, raised by the blood of Manetheren.

                                                          
iii. dark prophecy.                                       

2.24 Lanfear is loose. "ancient war" good vs. evil. "Her new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die, yet serve still…" may be Asmodean, or Rand, or not prophecy at all. Tar Valon will be taken. "death beyond dying" may support the sealed with the Dark One theory in that he would be sealed forever with no chance to be reincarnated to live again. "life eternal" would mean serving the Dark One. Luc and Isam(Luc is brother to Tigraine and disappeared into the blight a year before his sister disappeared. His House name is Mantear. Isam is the son of Breyen whose attempt to seize the throne of Malkier for her husband (Lain Mandragoran) resulted in Malkier's fall to the Blight) have some bond together probably not unlike the Padan Fain/Mordeth bond except one and thus both have access to Tel'aran'rhiod. It is speculated that like the meshed personality of Fain/Mordeth, Ordieth, Slayer is the meshed personality of Luc/Isam. The end of an age is coming ("Time of Change"). The Do Miere A'vron wait for the return of Artur Hawkwing's decendents. Hawkwing's decendents raze Almoth Plain ("the ancient tree"). "ancient wrong" may refer to those who failed who keep the Oaths and forgot about Uther and his expedition or it may refer to the Aiel because they abandoned the Way of the Leaf.

    a. Verin's interpretation of the dark prophecy        

2.25 explains most of Dark Prophecy. I basically restated it above.

                                                          
 iv. Prophecy of the Horn of Valere.                      

2.26 "In the last lorn fight, 'gainst the fall of long night…" clearly prophecizes the horn's fate to be used in the last battle to prevent the victory of the Dark One. "For the grave is no bar to my call." The horn can call the dead heroes from death so that they may fight in the

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<note 6 of 18> last battle and as we saw at other times (Falme). 2.27 This told us that the those that are called by the Horn of Valere will follow whoever winds it, which is not necessarily true considering Hawkwing's words in TGH at Falme (2.29). 2.28 When Mat sounded the horn the first time, he wasn't thinking of glory. Whether he was thinking of salvation is unclear. Perhaps this is meant for the last battle. 2.29 We discover that the Heroes of the Horn may come to the Horn, but they must follow the Dragon's banner, and the Dragon.

3. Foretellings.

                                                          
 ii. Elaida's Foretellings.                               

3.01 Death/distruction. That whole bit. Not exactly enlightening. 3.02 "…The Royal line of Andor would be the key to defeating the Dark One in the Last Battle…" Technically, Rand shouldn't be considered of the Royal line of Andor. He isn't in a position to inherit which this would suggest. Thus, this Foretelling might refer to Tigraine who birthed Rand while she was a Maiden on Dragonmount.

                                                          
 ii. Diendre's Foretellings.                              

3.03 The Aiel have a part to play. Rhuidean. Clearly there was some indication that the Aiel would not keep the Covenant, which explain's Solinda's warning.

                                                          
iii. Gitara Moroso's Foretellings.                        

3.04 Gitara Morosa Foretelling Rand al'Thor, the Dragon Reborn's, birth. 3.05 This Foretelling sent Tigraine into the Waste to become a Maiden of the Spear and as Shaiel became Janduin's lover and returned to Tar Valon during the Aiel War to give birth to Rand. "She could not return to her own land…" I'm not sure what this means. Surely she died on Dragonmount?

4. Dreams.

                                                          
 i. Egwene's dreams.                                      

4.01 Ishamael/Ba'alzamon would the man with a mask over his face. Rand sleeping on the Portal Stone with Lanfear/Selene standing over him. I think this indicates that Lanfear brought Rand and company into the Mirror world in the first place. 4.02

   Seanchan-Aes Sedai captured as damane forced to fight  

the White Tower. The captured Aes Sedai may be the Salidar Aes Sedai as Min's visions seem to indicate(5.12).

   Whitecloaks-Whitecloak invasion of the Two Rivers.     
   Rand-Callandor and Ba'lal's (The Weaver?) trap.        

Rhuidean I think, but kneeling? I don't remember that. Rand walking into the Pit of Doom. I think this confronting of Seanchan was the skirmish in FOH when Rand and Aviendha were in Seanchan.

   Perrin-The falcon is Faile and the hawk is Berelain.   

The falcon on his shoulder probably symbolizes their marriage, while the hawk with a leash in hand(claw as

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<note 7 of 18> things go) trying to fasten it around his neck symbolizes her struggle to take Perrin away from Faile. Perrin has a beard because of Faile. However as yet, there have been no wolves nearby in the Two Rivers much less a huge pack of wolves that stretched as far as the eye could see for Perrin to lead.

   Mat-Mat's eye must have been the price for his wishes  

granted from the Eelfinn(left eye). After having his wishes granted, he was found hanging from Avendesora by Rand in TSR. Whatever is to happen between Mat and the Seanchan was considered nightmarish by Egwene. After his wishes were granted, Mat has been able to speak the Old Tongue fluently. 4.03

   Rand-The sword that blazed like a sun is Callandor.    

He was threatened in TDR in Tel'aran'rhiod while he was traveling to the Stone of Tear. Thus, none of the attacks were "real" in the sense that they were not occuring in the real world despite the fact that wounds acquired in Tel'aran'rhiod remain when waking-except death, in which case one would not wake. Rand was at the time in danger from both Ba'alzamon/Ishamael and Lanfear.

   Perrin-The wolf is Hopper. The falcon is Faile and     

the hawk is Berelain. Faile and Berelain fought in TSR over Perrin and Berelain vowed to take Perrin away from Faile and keep him as a pet for as long as he amuses her-unresolved subplot _there._ The stepping off the cliff may be when Perrin decided to give himself up the the Whitecloaks in order to save the village. I doubt it. I believe that this will have something to do with resolving his conflict with the part of him that wants to run with the wolves. The Aiel is Gaul.

   Min-Min's arival to Tar Valon precipitated the         

breaking of the Tower by further arrousing Elaida's suspicions. However, Elaida's trap was not aimed at Min specifically and Min was unhurt (physically) by the affair and managed to survive it w/o ever being caught. Thus, she sprung the trap and walked through it without so much as seeing it…until it had caught Suian and Leane and caused the breaking of the Tower. Even now she doesn't realize that her arrival began those events.

   Mat-Mat suspends the laws of chance, or this dream     

might refer to his night of dicing in Tar Valon. A Gray Man followed Mat until Mat killed him in Tar Valon. There might have been more than just that one following him. Riding towards Caemlyn to deliver Elayne's letter to Morgase. The woman tossing fireworks is Aludra, the exIlluminator.

   general-The men and women breaking out of a cage, and  

then putting on crowns are the Forsaken. The next portion describes just about everyone in the entire series-someone pulling strings. Galldrian's death. Morgase weeping? The succession in Cairhien and the taking of the Stone, possibly others. The Whitecloaks commanded by Dain Bornhald and accompanied by Ordieth/Padan Fain/Mordeth/etc. The Coreene will resume and the Seanchan will return to the mainland to slay the "ancient wrong." 4.04

   Seanchan-Really, unknown. Just another reminder that   

the Seanchan will return. It's hard to say since Egwene

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<note 8 of 18> refuses to think about their parts in her dreams.

   Master Luhhan-Master Luhhan was arrested and held in   

the Whitecloaks encampment as a trap to snag Perrin when he tried to rescue him, his wife and Mat's two sisters. They were rescued anyway, though.

   Perrin-The fact that the falcon is now on his          

shoulder may be symbolic of Perrin's marriage to Faile. I still haven't quite "gotten" the whole significance of the choice between the axe and the hammer. I would assume that now that he has a tie to him, he might be less willing to risk himself using violent means to combat the Dark One. Aaron17 says that the choice is to create or to destroy.

   Mat-Mat made a wager w/ Rhavin/Gaebril and he left     

Caemlyn to save Egwene, Nynaeve, and Elayne from Comar.

   Rand-Rand sneaking across the country to see if he     

could wield Callandor while the surviving Forsaken, six male (Rahvin, Sammael, Ba'lal, Ishamael, Asmodean, Demandred) and five female (Lanfear, Semirhage, Graendal, Moghedien, and Mesaana), are either hunting him or ignoring him. Some want him to reach Callandor (Ba'lal, Lanfear?) whereas others do not. Perhaps some see him in Tel'aran'rhiod, thus explaining the "flashes." Maybe not. One is Ba'alzamon/Ishamael and he wants Rand dead. Rand is in the dry, dusty chamber for a second time-this is either Rhuidean or it is something to come or it's something I'm not aware of. Now Rand confronts a "horde" of Seanchan-this may support the theory that there will be a battle between the Aiel ("ancient wrong") and the Seanchan (the "seed"). Then confronting Egwene and the women with her (the survivers of Salidar and other renigade Aes Sedai who were not captured by Seanchan?). One of the women with her is Seanchan. This may be Egeanin or it may be some other Seanchan (perhaps the elephant trainer? or the Daughter of the Nine Moons? Naahh.). 4.05

   Rand-I don't really know what any of this dream is     

prophecizing, I can only guess. Rand's on a power trip and maybe going mad? Rand is chained by the Black Ajah w/ the black collar that was created during the Breaking. Rand seals himself inside with the Dark One and continues his fight w/ Shai't*n for the rest of eternity in Shayol Ghul, thus explaining why this is _the_ last battle and not just another conflict?

   Aiel-The fight between the Shaido and the other clans  

and the bleakness.

   Mat-It has been suggested that the Seanchan woman may  

be the Daughter of the Nine Moons/Tuon (favored by the Empress for succession) and Mat's marriage may be a political one, explaining why they are fighting and the leash.

   Perrin-Perrin fighting in Tel'aran'rhiod (wolf) and    

awake with Slayer (the man whose face keeps changing because in the real world he appears to be Luc, Tigraine's brother, and in the dream he appears to be Isam, Lan's cousin and son of Breyen and Lain Mandragoran. Incidentily, I think Mantear may be a Murandian House and that he took his father's House name as Galadrid has taken his father's House name, Damodred.

   Galad-Became a Whitecloak. The shroud portion would    

indicate that this decision will have a fatal outcome, but

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<note 9 of 18> I'm unsure.

   Gawyn-Gawyn killed his teacher, Hammar and the Master  

of Arms, Coulin, two people he undoubtably respected for a cause that turned out worthless when he allowed Suian (whom he hates and distruts at the moment) and Leane to escape on Min's request.

   Marin al'Vere-She could have wept over any number of   

things since the Whitecloaks and the Trollocs came to Two Rivers. If it isn't fulfilled than, I couldn't guess. 4.06

   Rand-Rand assumes control of Andor and Morgase isn't   

to happy about it. So unhappy, in fact, that she is willing to do anything to get her position back-ask for help from the Whitecloaks? And she doesn't even know yet that the DR has killed Gaebril/Rhavin. In light of the fact that the Forsaken has been removed from the scene, I wonder if she will still consider the sacrifice of bringing the Whitecloaks into Andor neccessary?

   Perrin-Happily married. His banner and the banner of   

Manetheren. Aram is a danger to the marriage? Emond's field? Somehow the danger involves his closeness to Perrin, perhaps the danger of a growing friendship rather than his physical proximity.

   Mat-Mat's deal with the Eelfinn and the blood          

streaming down his face would then be his part of the bargain. The loss of his left eye.

   Thom-OK, this is a long shot. Since Thom is            

apparently saving Moiraine from her little hot spot while Mat is throwing dice and making his payment, I will guess that they will both go to save Moiraine from the Eelfinn through the Tower of Ghenji and at this time, Mat will distract the Eelfinn by dealing with them. He will be forced to make his payment for the previous bargain through the loss of his left eye.

   general-Maybe the battle of Cairhien or maybe          

something in the future.

                                                          
 ii. Perrin's dreams.                                     

4.07

   Mat-I think that this is again Mat's bargain with the  

Fox people. However, it describes his opponent as having eyes of fire. It may be another reference to his wager with Rhavin which his winning of would probably thwart Ishamael's plans also.

   Egwene and Nynaeve and Elayne-They walked right into   

the trap at Tear that they knew was there waiting for them. Liandrin laughing at them and Lanfear laughing at her. 4.08

   Rand-I think that this indicates that there will be    

another marking of the Dragons. However it doesn't mention any more "settling into the skin," so I'm uncertain. Perhaps it is merely indicating that Rand will go mad for a time. Someone is watching Rand and he may not know it. It could have been Sammael diguised as Pevin except that Pevin died from a Trolloc spear at the end of FOH. Perhaps some other Forsaken we haven't met yet is one of Rand's followers. Aaron17 suggest Kadere.

   Nynaeve and Elayne-hunting the Black Ajah and what     

they were after in Tel'aran'rhiod in Tarabon.

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<note 10 of 18>

   Mat-He could have gone to Emond's Field with Perrin,   

but he stayed and went through the red stone _ter'angreal._ Flipped a coin at the Portal Stone to decide which symbol would bring them to Rhuidean which resulted in his going to Rhuidean and acquiring his staff bearing a short sword blade. Another coin resulted in his acquisition of his wide brimmed hat from Kadere.

   Egwene and Amys-I think this adds support to my        

theory that there will be a battle between the Aiel and the Seanchan at Tar Valon and that it will go badly (thus explaining why Egwene has even a chance at becoming Amyrlin). Since they are in front of the White Tower, you could say that they are defending it. It crumbles because they are loosing. However, it may be that the Tower is in the process of falling anyway and the fact that the White Tower is behind Egwene and Amys is of no consequence. 4.09

   Egwene-Those Aes Sedai that are left from Salidar or   

the Battle of Tar Valon (between the Seanchan and Aiel) or some other calamity will accept Egwene as their leader. Egwene becomes Amyrlin. Both Nynaeve and Elayne are among the survivers.

   Mat-I think that this is a reference to when the       

Eelfinn will collect their price. It may have something to do with the Seanchan, though there is no indication of such.

   Rand-This is probably connected with Min's vision of   

a beggar's staff. It sounds very Oedipus Rexish, but I wouldn't think that the condition results from the same sequence of events. However, I believe that Rand will do something that he cannot forgive himself for and this is his self punishment. If not, then I cannot guess.

                                                          
iii. Wise One's dreams.                                   

4.10 The Wise One's dreamed that Aviendha would come with Rand by way of the Portal Stone. 4.11 Just included to indicate that we haven't heard half of what they said to Moiraine. 4.12 Reference to the Wise One's prediction in 4.10. 4.13 Connected to 4.10. Amys knew that Rhuarc would come on that day to the slopes of Chaendar. 4.14 Another reference that the Wise One's dreamed of their arrival. 4.15 Lan might not have come, ergo he could possibly have gone with Nynaeve, or he could have died. 4.16 The Wise Ones knew that Moiraine should go through the _ter'angreal_ in Rhuidean, the consequence of not doing so is unknown. 4.17 …wreath…It is an aiel custom for the female to lay a bridal wreath in front of the man she wishes to marry. If they were so desperate to make Rand see Aiel blood for his own, I don't think that their first choice would have been Aviendha. In fact, for them to have kept using Aviendha for so long when things had been looking so bleak in that direction, I think they must have dreamed that Aviendha and Rand would have a relationship. 4.18 Moiraine and Lanfear aren't dead?

                                                          
 iv. Morin's dreams                                       

4.19 Morin makes a comment that Jeordam would make a fine father and then she says that she saw his face in a dream.

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<note 11 of 18> I think they must have married eventually. Either way whatever happened has been fulfilled by now.

                                                          
  v. Sorelle's dreams.                                    

4.20 Dreamed that she would get a fever at twenty. She did and died.

                                                          
 vi. Rand's dreams.                                       

4.21 Ishamael first beginning to touch Rand's dreams. 4.22 Another Ishamael haunted dream. 4.23 In Moiraine's description of the fall of Aridhol, she says, "How Thorin's son, Caar, came to win Aridhol back to the Second Covenant, and Balwen sat his throne, a withered shell with the light of madness in his eyes, laughting while Mordeth smiled at his side and ordered the deaths of Caar and the embassy as Friends of the Dark. How Prince Caar came to be called Caar One-Hand. How he escaped the dungeons of Aridhol and fled alone to the Borderlands with Mordeth's unnatural assasins at his heels." With this in mind, my analysis of the dream is this: Rand meshed all the recent things that had happened to him together and had a normal nightmare. Tam's sword has become important to him. In Baerlon, Min told him of Lan's aura, of a baby in a cradle carrying a sword. The persuit of Prince Caar by Mordeth's unnatural assasins and Prince Caar's loss of his hand. the old man must then be Balwen. 4.24 Ishamael in Rand's dream. 4.25 Ordinary nightmare spawned from all the unusual happenings and from the stress of running and being hunted. Where he got the "Dragon is one with the land" and the "Queen is wed with the land," I don't know. It sounds celtic. 4.26 Blacked out when he fell over the wall. Either an ordinary nightmare turned Ishamael invaded, or just an ordinary nightmare. 4.27 Ishamael haunted dream. 4.28 Ordinary dream created by his subconscious based on what had been happening so far. Suprisingly insightful dream. His subconcious notices that Moiraine is prodding him because of her fears of what will happen if he doesn't accept his destiny. His problem deciding between Min and Elayne finds it's way into his dream as well as his fear of going mad and decaying from the taint. 4.29 Lanfear enters Rand's dream which had been of Elayne and Min again with Aviendha making her first appearance. 4.30 Elayne, Min, and Aviendha are constantly in Rand's dreams now. 4.31 A dream of Aviendha. 4.32 Another ordinary dream resulting from Melaine's wedding and his own subconscious desires. 4.33 Nothing prophetic.

5. Visions.

                                                          
  i. Min's visions.                                       

5.01

   group-The group is central to the events leading to    

the Last Battle and the events during the Last Battle. In danger.

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<note 12 of 18>

   Egwene & Thom-Both part of it. Egwene will not marry   

Rand, be his lover, or any of the above. She will become Aes Sedai.

   Lan-Lan's past/Malkier, etc.                           
   Thom-Owen, Thom's nephew who could channel. The White  

Tower is probably in his aura because he attempted to save Owen from the Tower, or at least because he is attempting to save Rand from the Tower. However, it could mean he can learn to channel or that he can channel. I doubt it.

   Perrin-Perrin will become a wolfbrother. The meaning   

of the trees flowering around him is possibly freom TSR when Perrin is under apple blossoms where family buried. Probably it hasn't occured yet. The broken crown might have something to do with Manetheren or at least with his new found Lordship of the Two Rivers.

   Mat-The red eagle could mean that he is Aemon reborn,  

however in most cases Mat has been a millitary advisor, not the one in charge. Again the left eye is his price for his bargain with the Eelfinn. The dagger retreived from Shadar Logoth/Aridhol. Mat would blow the Horn of Valere and become linked with it (still is?). Mat's sense of humor?

   Rand-Callandor is the sword that isn't a sword. The    

golden crown of laurel leaves may symbolize victory, or it has not been fulfilled. The beggar staff theory is mentioned elsewhere, however it is yet unfulfilled. The pouring of water on sand could have been fulfilled either by the lake created when Rand fought Asmodean/Joar Addam Nessosin or when he caused the fountain's to run again or when he caused it to rain in Al'cair Dal. The bloody hand has several theories to it which are covered the FAQ. Essentially, the actual event that this predicts cannot be guessed. The three women standing over Rand's funeral bier is probably that actual vision that Min had where she discovered that she would fall in love with him as well as Elayne and Aviendha. The funeral bier would indicate that Rand will die. The blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul again. Danger. 5.02

   Egwene-Egwene will be Amyrlin. White Flame of Tar      

Valon.

   Elayne-Elayne will have to share Rand with Min and     

Aviendha. She will be Queen of Andor. Someone is going to loose a hand, maybe Rand. 5.03 Elayne is part of the group. 5.04 Rand won't marry Egwene, but will likely marry Elayne, Aviendha, and Min. 5.05 Elayne is linked to Rand, Perrin, Mat, and Galad. 5.06

   Nynaeve-Nynaeve will be in trouble and the ring will   

be in her rescue.

   Elayne-Another reference to an iron. A "white hot"     

iron was mentioned in Rand's viewing in Baerlon (5.01). The significance of the axe is unknown.

   Both-The images mean trouble, but it will occur in     

the distant future (soon, perhaps? only three books left…) 5.07 Aviendha and the relationship that Rand will have with them all is uncertain. Which is strange since it specifically says in the viewing of Elayne at Tar Valon

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<note 13 of 18> (5.02) that Elayne will have to share her _husband_ with two other women. That indicates to me that they will all be married to Rand as is the Aiel custom. 5.08

   Perrin-Gaul when he was captured by Hunters of the     

Horn and caged in the village of Remen. Aram was the Tuatha'an with a sword. Now both falcone and hawk perch on his shoulders. The significance of that is unknown to me. If perching on his shoulder does signify marriage (?), then something strange is going to happen. The odd thing is that here Faile and Berelain are not fighting. The usual danger stuff. 5.09

   Ananda-dead                                            
   Aes Sedai of the Green Ajah-dead                       
   Aes Sedai w/ blue eyes-dead                            
   Three Aes Sedai-three above would die                  
   Accepted-caged, maybe dead                             
   Sheriam-wouldn't die                                   
   Aes Sedai of the Brown Ajah-dead                       
   warders-wounds, death                                  
   servants-bear signs of violence                        
   An Aes Sedai-more captivity                            
   another-an a'dam                                       
   Gawyn-I think his "hurt" is that he killed Hammar and  

Coulin and the feat was made pointless when he lets Siuan walk free. He was in the wrong when he killed Hammar and Coulin, but he didn't know that at the time. Then again, he could simply have stood aside-well, lets not argue ethics. Whatever, it's evident that he's done something wrong to his thinking, either in killing Hammar and Coulin or in letting Siuan and Leane go. I suppose in killing Hammar and Coulin, he earned a right to a blademaster's sword-perhaps he took one of their swords. He was also threatened by a Warder's sword when he fought them. The green field may signify that he will become a Warder to the Green Ajah, to Egwene. Or it could tie him to the Seanchan. According to Aaron17, the colors gold and green are repeatedly mentioned in the chapter, "A Short Spear," in FOH.

   Leane-she would be tortured and stilled-not            

necessarily in that order.

   Suian Sanche-Suian would be stilled, stripped, and     

left locked up in one of the deep cells where no one has been confined since Bonwhin.

   Rand-I don't know about the faces being blurred. I     

think she lied. Elayne, Min and Aviendha would fall in love w/ Rand. 5.10

   Logain-The Cairhien flag is a "many-rayed golden sun   

rising from the bottom of a field of sky blue." I personally think that Logain and Sheriam (5.12) are destined to be the rulers of Cairhien. Nuts, I know! Then there is also Turak's banner. <TGH, Chapter 34, The Wheel Weaves, p415> "Fain eyed the blue-bordered banner flapping above the roof, the spread-winged hawk clutching lightning bolts, and chortled inside himself…" <TGH, Chapter 42, Falme, p501> "Above the rooftops, on the next street, the golden hawk banner of the High Lord Turak flapped in the wind." Considering that many of the visions Min had in

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<note 14 of 18> Salidar of Aes Sedai were connected with the Seanchan, it might be wise to believe that the Seanchan may also have a connection with this viewing. Or none of this may have any bearing…Either way, I must question the theory that Logain will pull out Callandor because I cannot see how Sheriam would fit into that. 5.11

   Logain-covered in 5.10.                                
   Gawyn-Either Gawyn will come to realize that Egwene    

and Suian are in the right, or he will do everything in his power to thwart them/Egwene. 5.12

   Sheriam-Must somehow be connected with Logain-too      

similar not to be.(5.10)

   Carlinya-"To wear the ravens was to be the property    

of the Imperial family." <TSR, Chapter 38, Hidden Faces, p441> Clearly, Carlinya is going to be captured and made the property of the Empress or some member of that family.

   Edesina-Will be captured and made damane, but she      

will escape somehow. 5.13

   Siuane Sanche and Gareth Bryne-The bull ripping roses  

from around his neck signifies that Gareth Bryne has abandoned his allegiance to Morgase. The rest is pretty clear. Should Siuan and Gareth be seperated by too great a distance for too long, they will both die. 5.14

   Faolain-Faolain has a nice future.                     

5.15

   Marigan, Nicola, and Areina-Marigan, Nicola, and       

Areina are trouble. Which isn't suprising considering that Areina is Moghedian, Nicola is Temaile Kinderode, and Marigan is Chesmal Emry. 5.16

                                                          
 ii. Aelfinn's visions                                    
a. Mat's questions and the Eelfinn's answers              

5.17 He has gone to Rhuidean and made a deal with the Eelfinn/Foxes for which he must pay the price of loosing his left eye. The Daughter of the Nine Moons is Tuon, second daughter of the Empress and currently favored for succession. I don't know exactly what to live again a part of what was is since he has died many times, but I would imagine that the Eelfinn killed him in order to fulfill this prophecy and in order to sever his tie to the Horn so that the Aes Sedai do not have that hold on him. You could say that he is a part of what was though his memories of his past lives. It is currently held that Mat's act of giving up half the light of the world is a clever way of restating that he will loose his left eye. To save the world? Maybe to save Moiraine, but how he will save the world in loosing his eye, I don't know.

b. What we know of Rand's answers                         

5.18 One of Rand's questions must have been concerning Elayne since the book _Dealings with the Territory of Mayene_ was one that tipped him off on the red stone ter'angreal that would take you to Aelfinn land. 5.19 Either Rand is smarter than he appears or he asked a few questions of the Snakes concerning Cairhien and other matters. I don't really think he asked a question

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<note 15 of 18> concerning Alteima. 5.20 He knows exactly who he will have rule Cairhien. That's unusual, because he doesn't know Logain and I don't know who he trusts enough to sit on the throne that he does know. Thus, I think he had that answer from the red stone _ter'angreal._ 5.21 He plans to come back for Callandor…I would guess he meant to say, "Just until I learn to control Saidin." 5.22 Support for 5.21. 5.23 Moiraine suspects he got these ideas from his answers in the _ter'angreal._ 5.24 He asked no question that Rhuidean was an answer to.

c. What we know of Moiraine's answers                     

5.25 She and for that matter no one asked questions touching the Dragon Reborn or the Shadow. 5.26 One of her answer must have been that she would see Thom again because she cannot Foretell. 5.27 Another of her answers must have been that she go through the rings in Rhuidean because she says after the Wise Ones slip that they had dreamed it that the "Old Tongue is often difficult to translate." Clearly she was refering to her experiance in the _ter'angreal_ because the Aelfinn use a rather harsh dialect of the Old Tongue for their dealings with men. 5.28 If Moiraine was to have brought up going, she must have had it for an answer in Rhuidean. No one not of Aiel blood is normally allowed into Rhuidean.

6. Ter'angreal used by the Wise Ones in Rhuidean.

                                                          
  i. Aviendha.                                            

6.01 Aviendha must have seen Rand in her future. Andrea Leistra speculated that "she is so concerned with keeping Rand faithful to Elayne that she is upset if even *she* makes him break that. Also, consider that she still considers herself a Maiden of the Spear and isn't very happy with the whole concept of marraige as it pertains to her." 6.02 more evidense to support 6.01. 6.03 ditto. 6.04 ditto.

                                                          
 ii. Moiraine.                                            

6.05 Something or someone might come between her and seeing that Rand is ready to face the Last Battle. Perhaps even herself if she really thought she would die and she was not willing to give up her life for the world (understandable). Some she knew already? Is that from the rings in Tar Valon? Don't get excited, I still don't believe that that ter'angreal is predictive. After all, how could that maze world that Nynaeve faced Aginor in be a world? 6.06 Moiraine knew that the Dragons of Rhuidean could be duplicated. Possibly from this ter'angeal. 6.07 In one alternative, she might have considered sleeping with Rand or actually have done it in the future because of her increasing desperation. 6.08 Explains how she knew that news would come of Morgase and that they would go out to the docks and from there it could branch three ways. She doesn't know what

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<note 16 of 18> happens in the world after she entered the _ter'angreal,_ which means that either she thinks she will die or that the other _ter'angreal_ simply did not continue from there. I think that the only event that she knows that will happen in the world after is that Lan will be passed from Myrelle to Nynaeve-though even there I am uncertain that that is what she is refering to. She never mentions that she is dead or that she would die. Thus, I find it unlikely that she actually thinks that she would cease to exist. Rather, I think she simply doesn't know. She knows that she will see Thom again because of the answer she had from the Aelfinn. I believe that the _ter'angreal_ in Rhuidean simply didn't continue to present alternatives from the point where she fell into the Eelfinn _ter'angreal_ gateway. Whatever the case, I'm sure that she was afraid that events wouldn't play out as she wanted them to.

7. Eelfinn. 7.01 Mat's memory was restored. He received the fox head amulet to be free of the Power and he was hung from Avendesora and killed to cease his link with the Horn of Valere (maybe). He was allowed to leave the land of the Eelfinn. 7.02 ? A written agreement that their bargain will be fulfilled on both sides.

Index 1.01 <EOW, Prologue, Dragonmount, xv> 1.02 <EOW, Prologue, Dragonmount, xv> <TGH, Chapter 50, After, p577> 1.03 <TDR, Chapter 56, People of the Dragon, p675> 1.04 <TSR, Chapter 58, The Traps of Rhuidean, p681> 2.01 <EOW, Chapter 13, pp158-159> 2.02 <TGH, Chapter 5, The Shadow in Shienar, p56> 2.03 <TGH, Chapter 26, Discord, p387> <TSR, Chapter 9, Decisions, p180> 2.04 <TGH, Chapter 26, Discord, p387> 2.05 <TGH, Chapter 8, The Dragon Reborn, p110> 2.06 <TGH, Chapter 22, Watchers, p275> 2.07 <TDR, Chapter 6, The Hunt Begins, p57> 2.08 <TSR, Chapter 3, Reflection, p71> 2.09 <TSR, Chapter 6, Doorways, p131> 2.10 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p239> 2.11 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p244> 2.12 <TGH, ix> 2.13 <TGH, Chapter 22, Watchers, p275> 2.14 <TDR, ix> 2.15 <TSR, p9> 2.16 <FOH, p9> 2.17 <TSR, Chapter 19, The Wavedancer, pp220-221> 2.18 <TGH, Chapter 28, A New Thread In The Pattern, p346> 2.19 <TGH, Chapter 28, A New Thread In The Pattern, p347> 2.20 <TSR, Chapter 3, Reflection, p74> 2.21 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Road To The Spear, p286> 2.22 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With The Dawn, p394> 2.23 <TSR, Chapter 57, A Breaking in the Three-fold Land, p665> 2.24 <TGH, Chapter 7, Blood Calls Blood, p89> 2.25 <EOW, Chapter 26, Whitebridge, p389>

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<note 17 of 18> 2.26 <TGH, Chapter 7, Blood Calls Blood, pp90-92> 2.27 <EOW, Chapter 53, The Wheel Turns, p655> 2.28 <TGH, Chapter 5, The Shadow in Shienar, p55> 2.29 <TGH, Chapter 47, The Grave Is No Bar To My Call, p560> 3.01 <EOW, Chapter 40, The Web Tightens, p514> 3.02 <TSR, Chapter 1, Seeds of Shadow, p29> 3.03 <TSR, Chapter 26, The Dedicated, pp300-301> 3.04 <TGH, Chapter 8, The Dragon Reborn, p109> 3.05 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With The Dawn, p392> 4.01 <TGH, Chapter 12, Woven in the Pattern, p180> 4.02 <TDR, Chapter 25, Questions, pp233-234> 4.03 <TDR, Chapter 37, Fires in Cairhien, pp352-353> 4.04 <TDR, Chapter 48, Following the Craft, pp468-469> 4.05 <TSR, Chapter 11, What Lies Hidden, p145> 4.06 <FOH, Chapter 15, What Can Be Learned In Dreams, p214> 4.07 <TDR, Chapter 43, Shadowbrothers, pp425-426> 4.08 <TSR, Chapter 28, To the Tower of Ghenjei, pp320-321> 4.09 <TSR, Chapter 53, The Price of a Departure, p612> 4.10 <TSR, Chapter 12, Tanchico or the Tower, p158> 4.11 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p237> 4.12 <TSR, Chapter 22, Out of the Stone, p254> 4.13 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p259> 4.14 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p260> 4.15 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p264> 4.16 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p270> 4.17 <TSR, Chapter 50, Traps, p570> 4.18 <FOH, Chapter 53, Fading Words, p635> 4.19 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Road to the Spear, p290> 4.20 <TSR, Chapter 26, The Dedicated, p295> 4.21 <EOW, Chapter 9, Tellings of the Wheel, pp100-104> 4.22 <EOW, Chapter 14, The Stag and Lion, pp168-172> 4.23 <EOW, Chapter 19, Shadow's Waiting, pp245-246(p291 pb)> 4.24 <EOW, Chapter 24, Flight Down the Arinelle, pp293-296> 4.25 <EOW, Chapter 34, The Last Village, pp442-443> 4.26 <EOW, Chapter 40, The Web Tightens, p498> 4.27 <EOW, Chapter 43, Decisions and Apparitions, pp549-551> 4.28 <TSR, Chapter 2, Whirlpools in the Pattern, pp53-54> 4.29 <TSR, Chapter 50, Traps, pp571-572> 4.30 <FOH, Chapter 4, Twilight, p95> 4.31 <FOH, Chapter 6, Gateways, p112> 4.32 <FOH, Chapter 21, The Gift of a Blade, p278> 4.33 <FOH, Chapter 22, Birdcalls by Night, p288> 5.01 <EOW, Chapter 17, Watchers and Hunters, pp181-182 ((pb)pp215-216)> 5.02 <TGH, Chapter 24, New Friends and Old Enemies, p305> 5.03 <TGH, Chapter 38, Practice, p462> 5.04 <TGH, Chapter 39, Flight From the White Tower, p472> 5.05 <TGH, Chapter 42, Falme, p506> 5.06 <TGH, Chapter 43, A Plan, p511> 5.07 <TGH, Chapter 48, First Claiming, p568> 5.08 <TDR, Chapter 6, The Hunt Begins, pp62-63> 5.09 <TSR, Chapter 1, Seeds of Shadow, pp16-26> 5.10 <TSR, Chapter 17, Deceptions, p198> 5.11 <TSR, Chapter 47, The Truth of a Viewing, p544> 5.12 <FOH, Chapter 26, Sallie Daera, pp317-320>

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<note 18 of 18> 5.13 <FOH, Chapter 27, Trapped, p343> 5.14 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach and Learn, p592> 5.15 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach and Learn, p598> 5.16 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach, and Learn, pp598-599> 5.17 <TSR, Chapter 15, Into the Doorway, pp176-177> 5.18 <TSR, Chapter 8, Hard Heads, p117> 5.19 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p241> 5.20 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p241> 5.21 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p244> 5.22 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p245> 5.23 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p245> 5.24 <TSR, Chapter 24, Rhuidean, p274> 5.25 <TSR, Chapter 6, Doorways, p95> 5.26 <TSR, Chapter 17, Deceptions, p195> 5.27 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p270> 5.28 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p271> 6.01 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With the Dawn, p395> 6.02 <TSR, Chapter 35, Sharp Lessons, p403> 6.03 <TSR, Chapter 48, An Offer Refused, p 547> 6.04 <FOH, Chapter 7, A Departure, p132> 6.05 <TSR, Chapter 35, Sharp Lessons, p404> 6.06 <TSR, Chapter 49, Cold Rocks Hold, p565> 6.07 <FOH, Chapter 7, A Departure, p135> 6.08 <FOH, Chapter 53, Fading Words, pp637-638> 7.01 <TSR, Chapter 24, Rhuidean, p281-282> 7.02 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Dedicated, p307>

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<note 1 of 11> A TRAVELER'S GUIDE TO INNS

   Often in traveling it is cumbersome to find a          

comfortable inn. Most people make their decisions on availability, appearance, and price. However, it is not always assured that there will be good service, good food, good entertainment, or comfort without the inn having been recommended beforehand. In order to make your trip a safe and comfortable one, we have made a Traveler's Guide to Inns in which each inn is rated in service and comfort for your convenience. Where available, information on the Innkeeper, Serving Women/Men and on Entertainment are included. Even information on the location, other than the city it is located in, is included when the information was given to us. We hope you enjoy our Guide and have a pleasurable trip on every excursion.

 note: the prices of a stay are not listed                

BAERLON- Stag and Lion- The atmosphere is appealing. On the walls are colorful pictures of ornate buildings with gardens of tall trees and bright flowers are painted on the walls. Instead of one huge fireplace, a hearth blazes on each wall, and scores of tables fill the floor of the room. There has been news that the Inn burned down in an unfortunate incident with the Children of the Light. These are, so far, only rumors. The Inn is highly recommended for excellent service and cleanliness. R: * * * * 1/2 Innkeeper-Master Fitch Cook-Sara, cook helper-Ciel Serving Women-Mari, Ara, and Linda Stableman-Mutch Cat-Carri CAEMLYN- The Queen's Blessing- The Queen's Blessing is highly recommended, several of our reports have positively raved over it. The Inn's sign is of a man kneeling before a woman with red-gold hair and a crown, one of her hands is resting on his bowed head. The inn has a hired man and has a certain strange freedom from rodents. R: * * * * * Innkeeper-Basil Gill, fat, pink-faced with a starched white apron, graying hair combed back over a bald spot that it does not quite cover Cook-Coline Hired Man-Lamgwin The Crown and Lion- No information. CAIRHEIN- Defender of the Dragonwall- The sign has a crowned man with his foot on another man's chest and his sword at the man's throat. The fellow on his back has red hair. The common room is neat, with tables laid out as strictly as the city. R: * * * 1/2 Innkeeper-Caule, plump, unctuous man with a single stripe of green across his dark gray coat. The Bunch of Grapes- Innkeeper-Zera Serving women-Ella The Great Tree Innkeeper-Tiedra EMOND'S FIELD-

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<note 2 of 11> The Winespring Inn- The cook here serves some of the best Two Rivers food. The service is relatively slow, but it's atmosphere would not be enjoyed as much if it was taken at any faster a pace. R: * * * * Innkeeper-(also mayor of the town) Branwin al'Vere FOUR KINGS- The Dancing Cartman- We've had several bad reports on this inn, it is not the only one in the town and we recommend avoiding it. The Inn is yellow trimmed in bright red and bilious, eye-wrenching green. Here and there the pain is cracked and peeling. Dirt crusts the floor and cobwebs fill the corners of the ceiling. R: * Innkeeper-Saml Hake, a bony man with long, stringy hair to his shoulders Hired Men-Jak and Stum Entertainment-a man plays the dulcimer ILLIAN- Easing the Badger- The inn is located past The Bridge of Flowers in the Perfumed Quarter of the city. The sign has a white-striped badger dancing on its hind legs with a man carrying what seems to be a silver shovel. The common room has sawdust on the floor, and tabac smoke filles the air. It also smells of wine, and fish cooking in the kitchen, and a heavy, flowered perfume. The exposed beams of the high ceiling are rough-hewn and age-dark. The beds are wide, and mattresses soft. The doors to the rooms are made of tilted slats, there are pegs for hanging things. The inn serves a nearly round white fish with red stripes (Red-stripe). R: * * * * 1/2 Innkeeper-Mistress Nieda Hired Man-Bili Entertainment-singer JARRA- Harilin's Leap- The sign is of a man standing on one foot with his arms thrown in the air. They offer food, rooms, and baths. The inn smells of ale and wine, and cheese, and the aroma of roasting mutton. R: * * * Inkeeper-Master Harod, wears a long white apron Helpers-Simion (brother, Noam, was a wolfbrother-went mad), Nico, and Patrim MARKET SHERAN-

   This inn is cleanly kept and is the only one in Market 

Sheran to our knowledge. It is located in a small town and is comfortably quiet. R: * * 1/2

Innkeeper-Rulan Allwine, stout, with a gleaming white apron The Queen's Man-(actually located in a town between Market Sheran and Carysford) The inn here is small. However the town has a Mother Brune (Wisdom). We found the innkeeper very helpful. R: * * 1/2 Innkeeper-Good Master Inlow Mother-Brune REMEN- Wayman's Forge-The sign is of a man in a leather apron with a hammer painted on the sign. It is near to the river Manetherendrelle where it is too wide for a bridge.

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<note 3 of 11> It is a large, purple-roofed, three-story building of squared and polished gray stones, with large windows and scroll-carved doors, and it has a prosperous look. The kitchen has mutton, lamb, chicken, beef, as well as assorted vegetables and a spicy cake. There are pegs on the walls of the rooms for hanging, and the beds are narrow with lumpy mattresses. The inn contains an Ogier bed that is made of sung wood well over three thousand years old. R: * * * 1/2 Innkeeper-Gainor Furlan, plump, bald-headed, with shining brown eyes in a smooth pink face, likes to gossip Stablemen Mother-Leich TAR VALON- The Woman of Tanchico- Serving Women-Mada and Saol (sisters) TEAR- The White Crescent-no information Innkeeper-Cavan Lopar-landlord whose girth makes his long blue coat fit snugly below the waist as well as above. Baggy breeches, tied at the ankle above low shoes, are big enough for two ordinary men to fit inside, one in each leg. R: * * 1/2 Serving Women-wear dark, high-necked dresses and short white aprons. Entertainment-fellow plays a hammered dulcimer. The Star- The Star is located between a weaver's shop and a smithy of undressed gray stone. Both the weaver's shop and the inn are made of wood. The Star is four stories tall and has small windows in its roof as well. Because of the constant noise of the smithy and the business from the weaver's shop, our informants did not have an enjoyable stay. It is however noted that The Star should be considered one of the nicer inns at Tear. R: * * * 1/2 Innkeeper-Jurah Haret The Golden Cup- No information. TREMONSIEN- The Nine Rings- The food here is excellent and there is a specially designed room for Ogier. One specialty of the house is the pork that is cut into small bits, mixed with long strips of yellow peppers, and peas, and a number of vegetables all in a clear thick sauce. Most of the food is oddly spiced in the Cairheinin fashion, sweet and sour. The Inn is made of stone. R: * * * * 1/2 Innkeeper-Maglin Madwen, once married to Barin Madwen. She is a Lugard, lean with a long nose and graying hair. Her wrinkles are part of a ready smile. Serving Women-Catrine and Lidan Mother (also called Wise Woman , Reader, or Wisdom in some parts)-Caredwain WATCH HILL- The White Boar- famous for its hot mutton pie and excellent service, though smaller than the big city inns. R: * * * WHITEBRIDGE- The Wayfairer's Rest- The commons has a shoulder high wall splitting the room in two from the front to the

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<note 5 of 11> back, with tables and a blazing fire place on each side. The bare tables were not too clean and the floor had not been swept in days if not weeks. The sign has a striding man with a bundle on his back on one side and the small man with his head on a pillow on the other. Because of the recent Civil War in Cairhein, the prices of a night were unbelievable and very few rooms, if any, were left at the time. R: * * * Innkeeper-Bartim

EOW: songs "My love is gone, carried away by the wind that shakes the willow, and all the land is beaten hard by the wind that shakes the willow. But I will hold her close to me in heart and dearest memory, and with her strength to steel my soul, her love to warm my heart-strings, I will stand where we once sang, though cold wind shakes the willow." p243 EOW "Forward the Lion, Forward the Lion, The White Lion takes the field. Roar defiance at the Shadow. Forward the Lion, Forward, Andor triumphant." p587 EOW TGH: "Soon comes the day all shall be free, Even you, and even me. Soon comes the day all shall die, Surely you, but never I." p36 TGH "We rode down to River Iralell just to see the Taren come. We stood along the river bank with the rising of the sun. Their horses blacked the summer plain, their banners blacked the sky. But we stood our ground on the banks of River Iralell. Oh, we stood our ground. Yes, we stood our ground. Stood our ground along the river in the morning." p261 TGH "Clear the field, smooth it low. Let no weed or stubble stand. Here we labor, here we toil, here the towering trees will grow." p425 TGH TDR: "I'm down at the bottom of the well. It's night, and the rain is coming down. The sides are falling in, and there's no rope to climb. I'm down at the bottom of the well." p172 TDR "I'll dance with a girl with eyes of brown, or a girl with eyes of green, I'll dance with a girl with any color eyes, but yours are the prettiest I've seen.

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<note 6 of 11> I'll kiss a girl with hair of black, or a girl with hair of gold, I'll kiss a girl with any color hair, but it's you I want to hold." p282 TDR "A Lugard girl, she came to town, to see what she could see. With a wink of her eye, and a smile on her lip, she snagged a boy or three, or three. With on ankle slim, and skin so pale, she caught the owner of a ship, a ship. With a soft little sigh, and a gay little laugh, she made her way so free, so free." p412 TDR

NATIONS by: Jeremy Rowland/Rhuarc, ex-Tamyrlin of WoT. Andor-[Rampant white lion on a field of red] Ruler: Queen Morgase ("Lion Throne"), Capital City: Caemlyn. Arafel-[Three white roses on a field of red, quartered with three red roses on a field of white] A Borderland nation. Arad Doman-On Aryth Ocean, claim descent from those who made the Tree of Life in the Age of Legends. Cairhien-[Many-rayed golden sun rising from the bottom of a field of sky blue] Ruler: King Galldrian (assassinated 998 NE) ("Sun Throne") Amadica-Capital City: Amader, location of the Fortress of Light, ruled by a King. Illian-Capital city: Illian, on Sea of Storms, historically connected with the Hunt for the Horn. (Current Hunt for the Horn began 998 NE). Mayene-[Golden Hawk in flight] City-state on Sea of Storms, Ruler: Berelain, First of Mayene. Tear-(High Lord Sammon (Be'lal) recently most respected of the nine High Lords) [Thre white crescent moons slanting across a field half red, half gold] Ruler(s): High Lords of Tear. _Forbids Channeling._ Tarabon-Call themselves the Tree of Man, claim to be descended from rulers and nobles in the Age of Legends. Saldea-[Three silver fish on a field of dark blue] Capital City: Maradon, a Borderland Nation. Kandor-[Rearing horse on a field of pale green] A Borderland Nation. Shienar-[Stooping black hawk] Ruler: King Easar, a Borderland Nation. Seanchan-Capital City: Seandar, Ruler: Empress (across Aryth Ocean). Almoth Plain-[Blue for the sky above, black for the earth below, with the spreading Tree of Life to join them] Formerly nation of Almoth. Malkier-[Golden crane in flight] Once a Borderland nation now taken by Blight, Ruler: al'Akir Mandragoran, his Queen: el'Leanna. Al'Lan Mandragoran is the Uncrowned Heir. Carallain-One of the nations wrung from Artur Hawkwing's empire during the War of the Hundred years, weakened thereafter and the last traces vanished about 500 NE. Goaban-ditto. Haradon-ditto. between Cairhien and Shienar.

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<note 7 of 11> EOW, TIMELINE/SUMMARY by: Erika Ashford/Elayne Trakand Day 1: QUARRY RD.-Tam and Rand take brandy to Emond's Field for use during Bel Tine. Rand sees Dark Rider (Fade). EMOND'S FIELBD-(Winespring Inn) Rand learns of Mat's encounter with the Dark Rider. Rand and Mat meet Moiraine. She gives them the silver coins. Padan Fain arrives with news of war, the false Dragon in Ghealdan and Aes Sedai. Rand, Mat, Perrin and Egwene meet Thom Merrilin, the Gleeman. QUARRY RD.-Tam tells Rand of the other boys' encounters with the Dark Rider. (winternight) AL'THOR FARM-Tam fights the Trollocs and is hurt. Rand kills a Trolloc with Tam's sword. QUARRY RD.-(Carrying Tam on litter he made) Rand sees the Dark Rider and the Trollocs. Tam has "fever dreams." Day 2: EMOND'S FIELD-Trollcos have attacked the village. Nyneave can't help Tam. Rand goes to Moiraine Sedai for help. She heals Tam. Rand tells Tam the Trollocs were after him and they say their good-byes. Moiraine tells villagers history of Manetheren. After agreeing to add Egwene and Thom to their numbers, Moiraine, Lan, Rand, Mat, Perrin, Egwene, and Thom head toward Tar VAlon. Rand spots a Draghkar. THE NORTH RD.-Present goal is to reach the town of Taren Ferry before the Myrddraal. Rand channels for the first time (that we know of) to strngthen Bela. WATCH HILL-Draghkar "shows itself" and the group races on shrouded in Aes Sedai-made fog. TAREN FERRY-Master Hightower takes them across River Taren on the ferry. Moiraine sinks the ferry. Seek refuge in cave of trees. Moiraine guides Egwene through first touching of True Source. Day 3-8: BAERLON RD:-Lan schools boys daily on how to use their weapons. Gleeman gives nightly lessons on art of storytelling and juggling. Egwene has private nightly lessons with Moiraine. BAERLON-(The Stag & Lion) Rand talks with Ba'alzamon in his dreams. Rand, Perrin, and Mat have the same dream. Day 9: BAERLON-Rand meets Min. Tells him what she "sees" about each person in group. Rand finds Padan Fain alive in the city. Rand confronts Whitecloaks (Bornhald). Mat and Rand tell Thom of their dreams. Nynaeve arrives. Group (except Lan) dances in common room. Fade speaks to Rand. CAEMLYN GATE-Moiraine uses her staff on Whitecloaks and grows giant-sized. CAEMLYN RD.-An hour down the road, they see inn burning. Day 10-12: CAEMLYN RD.-Third day after leaving Baerlon, they hear Trollocs to East and West. Head north toward Maradon and the Arinelle River. Fight fist of Trollocs. Lan cuts Fade's head off, which kills remaining Trollocs. Moiraine causes earthquake, makes wall of fire and diverts their scents and tracks to another direction. SHADAR LOGOTH-Boys meet Mordeth. Moirane tells them of Mordeth. Trollocs and Myddraal inside city. Group

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<note 8 of 11> seperates from Moiraine and Lan by Mashadar. Rest of them scattered by Trollocs. Perrin swims safely across river. Thom, Rand, and Mat board the Spray, captained and owned by Bayle Domon. Rand and Mat give Domon their Tar Valon coins. Floran Gelb, watchman blamed for Trolloc raid, hates them. Day 13: RIVER ARINELLE-Nynaeve heads down river afoot. Eaves drops on Moiraine and Lan. Moiraine senses her presence and convinces her she is an unknowing wielder of the One Power. They head South toward Whitebridge and the two boys. Perrin finds Egwene and decides to head straight across to Caemlyn, through the forest. Day 16: BRAEM WOOD-Perrin and Egwene meet Elyas Machera, Wolfbrother. Elyas and Dapple, leader of wolf pack, decide to take them South toward Caemlyn. RIVER ARINELLE-Rand finds real blood on his fingertip from pick of a thorn in his dream of Ba'alzamon. Rand hcannels again (?) when atop the mast. Thom fears mutiny. Rand sees Mat's ruby dagger. Day 19: BRAEM WOOD-Perrin realizes he can understand the wolves. They take camp with Tinkers. Meet Raen, Mahdi or Seeker of the band, his wife Ila and grandson Aram, who courts Egwene. Raen tells them story of Aiel woman and what she says of He Who Come With The Dawn. WHITEBRIDGE-Stop at Wayfarer's Rest. Bartim/Innkeeper says crazy man and Fade have asked about them. Over hear Gelb saying they're Darkfriends and they leave. When Fade meets them, Thom tells boys to run and he stays to fight, where he is supposedly killed. FROM THIS POINT ON, EXACT DAYS ARE NO LONGER DISCERNABLE BRAEM WOOD-Perrin dreams of Ba'alzamon and wakes to find wolves have shared his dream. They leave Tinker camp. WHITEBRIDGE-Moirane senses the two boys were in the inn and left afraid. They go after the boy who still has his token, namely Perrin. BRAEM WOOD-Elyas, Perrin, and Egwene escape the raves into a stedding. The wolves have been hurt. STEEDDING-Wolves warn that men come. Hopper dies trying to save Perrin. They are captured by Whitecloaks. Lord Captain Geofram Bornhald and Child Byar question them. CAEMLYN RD.-Rand and Mat stay at various farms, lastly Grinwell Farm. Begin to perform for their stay in inns. FOUR KINGS-Rand and Mat stay at The Dancing Cartman. Saml Hake (The innkeeper), Jak, and Strom mean to rob them. Howel Gode, Whitebridge merchand and Darkfriend, and his minions try to attack. Randbrings down lightning. Mat is blinded. Rand and Mat escape throughthe lightning induced opening. CAEMLYN RD.-Rand and mat ride in Hyam Kinch/Farmer's cart. Rand sees Gode (dead) and Ba'alzamon in his dream ("I mark you as mine!"). Albert Mull/Farmer gives them a ride. MARKET SHERAN-Stay at village inn, Rulan Allwine the Innkeeper. See a Darkfriend (Paitr) and must flee. INN'S STABLE-Rand is sick with fear (perhaps a result of touching the True Source with the lightning?). Darkfriend woman tries to kill them. She says Myrddraal are coming. Mat locks her in room.

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<note 9 of 11> CAEMLYN RD.-(Hyam Kinch-p.430) Spend night on a haystack. Walk with travelers gong to see false Dragon. CROWN AND GOOSE INN-See Raimun Holdwin/Inkeeper and Fade talking. Catch a ride with Almen Bunt/Farmer. CAEMLYN-(Queen's Blessing Inn) Meet Basil Gill, Innkeeper and Thom's friend. Rand meets Loial, tells him everything except his dreams. Rand has his heron sword wrapped in red. BRAEM WOOD-Moiraine, Lan, and Nynaeve find Perrin and Egwene with the Whitecloaks. They escape. CAEMLYN-Rand sees Logain. Falls into Palace garden. Meets Elayne and Gawyn. Tallanvor takes all three to face Queen Morgase, which also brings an encounter with Elaida, where Elaida has the Foretelling over Rand. Master Gill faces Whitecloaks. The original group (except Thom) is reunited. Moiriane temporarly cleanses the taint from Mat caused by the dagger. Rand tells Moiraine of their dreams. Moiraine decides they must go to the Eye oof the World located in the Blight. That night boys dream of Ba'alzamon and the three clay figures. Loial leads the group to a Waygate. THE WAYS-Close to the exit to the Borderlands, they hear/feel Machin Shin "The blood so red, so red the drops…". Moiraine burns a hole in the Waygate and repels the Black Wind while they escape. FAL DARA-Group meets Ingtar and Lord Agelmar. Moiraine tells Agelmar of their plans. Padan Fain arrives. Agelmar tells Lan's history. Moiraine returns from private talk with Fain and tells them Fain's story. THE BLIGHT-It is still Spring. Nynaeve approaches Lan. He tells her that "he will love the man that loves you, and curse him because he is n ot me." They are attacked by trees and deformed beings. The Worms come. GREEN MAN's PLACE-The Green Man takes them to the Eye of the World. The Green Man and Balthemal exchange mortal words. The group runs, leaving Moiraine the impossible task of fighting Aginor. Rand takes the white cord from Aginor and the flames consume him. Rand is teleported to the battle taking place at the Gap, and defeates the Dark One's Army, giving the Light a victory. The Creater (?) speaks to Rand. The Dark One confronts Rand, and Rand frees Kari al'Thor's soul from the Father of Lies. Rand and Ba'alzamon battle, and Rand severs the black cord behind Ba'alzamon and the flames consume him. Rand is re-teleported to the Blight, where Moiraine, Lan, Nynaeve, and Egwene now know Rand can channel. There are three things brought from the Eye: One of the seven seals made of heartsonte on the Dark One's prison, the Horn of Valere and the Dragon's banner. Loial sings his Treesong so the Blight will not have Treebrother (The Green Man). GAL DARA-Moiranie shows Agelmar the Horn of Valere and asks him to see that it's taken to Illian. Moiraine, using the stone, overhears Rand telling Egwene he must go away, but "not ever home." "The Dragon is Reborn."

A LIST OF HERBS AND CURES FOR THE WISE WOMAN

   stomach-chainleaf (tea),  bluewort (tea), marshwhite   

leaves (tea)-as well as chainleaf with a bite to the taste, longer it sits, the more it grows bitter.

   fatigue-flatwort tea andilay root.                     
   ease birthing-apply warm towels and perhaps give her   

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<note 10 of 11> a little white fennel if it was an especially hard birth

   heartattack-powdered gheandin blossom on the tongue    
   broken limb-after you give him the boneknit, you wrap  

the broken lumb in toweling soaked in water where you've boiled bluegoat flowers as hot as he can stand it. One part bluegoat flowers to ten of water. No weaker. Replace the towels as soon as they stop steaming and keep it up all day, knits twice as fast as boneknit alone.

NAMES OF SONGS FROM THE THIRD AGE "Only One Bucket of Water" "Wild Geese on the Wing" "Three Girls in the Meadow"-also (Tinkers) "Pretty Maids Dancing" "Coming Home From Tarwin's Gap" "Mistress Aynora's Rooster" "The Old Black Bear" "Ferry O'er the River"-also "Darling Sara" "The Road to Dun Aren" "The Wind From the North"-also (Tinkers) "Hard Rain Falling" "Berin's Retreat" The Tinker Has My Pots"-also (Tinkers) "Toss the Feathers"

REMENANTS FROM THE AGE OF LEGENDS Whitebridge-tendays north on the Arinelle, there is a metal tower

R. Arinelle-cut in high bluffs, half a mile ling, is a Royal procession. Tremalking -a stone hand fifty feet high sticking out of a hill, clutching a crystal sphere as big as the a boat. Verin mentioned the stone sa'angreal as being the second in a pair. The other is in Cairhien and only works with saidin. Tanchico -there is a port on the Aryth Ocean which is connected to part of the Panarch's Palace. Bones of animals no man living has ever seen before all fastened together like the animal originally was. Sand Hills-Near the Two Riverrs-Bones found of part of a fish as big as a boat. etc crystal lattice-covers an island, it hums when the moon is up. hallowed mountain-hallowed into a bowl, in its center, a silver spike a hundred spans high, anyone who comes within a mile of it dies. light sticks, razor lace, heartstone

NAMES OF TALES OF THE THIRD AGE "Aptarigine Cycle" "Tales of Artur Paendrag Tanreall-Artur Hawkwing-Artur the High King, who once ruled all the lands from the Aiel Waste to the Aryth Ocean, and even beyond." "The Thousand Tales of Anla, the Wise Counselor" "Jaem the Giant-Slayer" "How Susa Tamed Jain Farstrider" "Mara and the Three Foolish Kings" Lenn-how he flew to the moon in the belly of an eagle

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<note 11 of 11> made of fire. Salys-Lenn's daughter, walks among the stars (Ages when men ruled the heavans and the Stars, and Ages when Man roamed as brother to the animals…Ages ending by fire raining from the skies, and Ages doomed by snow and ice covering land and sea…) "Tales of Mosk the Giant, with his Lance of Fire that could reach around the world, and his wars with Alsbet, the Queen of All" "Tales of Materese the Healer, Mother of the Wondrous Ind" "The Siege of the Pillars of the Sky" "How Goodwife Karil Cured Her Husband of Snoring" "King Darith and the Fall of the House of…" "Lian's Stand" "The Fall of Aleth-Loriel" "Gaidal Can's Sword" "The Last Ride of Buad of Albhain"

TER'ANGREAL (stolen by the Black Ajah) Rod -clear crystal, smooth and perfectly clear, one foot long and one inch in diameter. Use unknown. Last study made by Corianin Nedeal. Figurine-a figurine of an unclothed woman in a labaster, one hand tall. Use unknown. Last study made by Corianin Nedeal. Disc -apparently of simple iron yet untouched by rust, three inches in diameter, finely engraved on both sides with a tight spiral. Use unknown. Last study made by Corianin Nedeal. Hedgehog-wooden carving, no bigger than the last joint of a man's thumb. Any woman who tried to channel through it went to sleep. Half a day of peaceful, dreamless sleep.

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<note 1 of 11>

THE OLD TONGUE                                            

by: Andrea Leistra/Aviendha A'vron watchers 328 TGH Aan'allein Man who is an entire people 264 TSR Aes Sedai servant of all 270 TSR Aethan Dor Red Shield 541 TDR Aiel Dedicated 270 TSR Al son of 110 EOW Al'cair golden * * Al'Cair Dal Golden Bowl 391 TSR Al'cair'rahienallen Hill of the Golden Dawn 464 EOW Alantin Brother 259 TGH Aldezar eagle 252 TSR Aldieb Westwind 147 EOW algai'd'siswai 525 FOH algode cotton 65 FOH Atha'an People (as in THE People) * TSR Atha'an Miere Sea Folk xviiTDR Avendesora Tree of Life 73 EOW Avendoraldera Sapling of the Tree of Life 73 EOW a'vron watchers * * Ay daughter of 110 EOW caba'donde horse * * caba'drin horsemen * * Cabellien misain ye Release me 164 TDR Cadin'sor working clothes 151 TSR Caldazar Red Eagle 228 EOW calichniye welcome * * Callandor Sword that Cannot be Touched 388 TGH Car'a'carn Chief of Chiefs 386 TSR Carai honor (for the honor of) 228 EOW Chalinda sweet girl 43 FOH Cor Darei Night Spear 647 FOH Coreene Return, The 416 TGH cuebiyar forward * * Cuendillar heartstone 647 EOW Da'shain — 293 TSR Daes Dae'mar Great Game, The 317 TGH Dai Shan Diademed Battle Lord 583 EOW Damane Leashed One 566 TGH dareis spear * * din brothers * * domashita warms * * Do Miere A'vron Watchers over the Waves 107 TGH doon eyes * * Dovie'andi se tovya sagain It's time to roll the dice 641 FOH Dovienya Luck 661 TSR drin men * * Duadhe water 252 TSR Duadhe Mahdi'in Water Seekers 252 TSR Ellisande Rose of the Sun 228 EOW Faile falcon 337 TDR Far Aldazar Din Brothers of the Eagle 252 TSR Far Dareis Mai Maidens of the Spear 315 EOW Gai'shain Those sworn topeace in battle 268 TSR Gaidin Brother to Battles ?gl TGH Hailene Forerunners 416 TGH Hama N'dore Mountain Dancers gls FOH Hei always * TSR

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<note 2 of 11> Inde muaghdhe misain Aes Sedai ye I am no Aes Sedai meat 164 TDR isha betrayer * * Ishamael Betrayer of Hope x EOW Jeade'en True Finder 248 TSR Jenn Only true… 270 TSR Ji honor 268 TSR Ji'e'toh Honor and duty 268 TSR Kardon * 563 TSR Kiserai ti Wansho Glory to the Builders 583 EOW Kodome calichniye ga ni…hei Here is always a welcome for. 585 EOW Lanfear Daughter of the Night 105 TGH Los caba'drin horsemen forward 490 FOH Los Valdar Cuebiyari Forward the Heart Guard 164 TDR Ma'vron Watchers (important) 328 TGH machin black * * Machin Shin Black Wind 545 EOW mael hope * * Mafal Dadaranell Fal Dara 542 EOW Mahdi Seeker 310 EOW mai maidens * * Mandarb blade 146 EOW manatheren Mountain Home 110 EOW Manetherendrelle Waters of the Mountain Home 110 EOW Marath'damane Those who Must be Leashed 568 TGH Mashiara Lost beloved of heart andsoul 135 TGH Mia ayende I am a free man 164 TDR Mia dovienya nesodhin soende * 661 TSR Miere ocean * TSR moghedien poisonous spider 195 FOH muad foot * * Muad'drin footmen * * Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar * 619 EOW Muad'drin tia dar allende… Footmen prepare to

                  pass cavalry                  164 TDR   

..caba'drin rhadiem forward 585 * ninte, ninto your * * Ninte calichniye no domashita Your welcome warms me 696 EOW oosquai an Aiel liquor 656 TSR Ordeith wormwood xxivTDR rahein dawn * * Rahein Sorei Dawn Runners gls FOH Rhyagelle Those who come Home 416 TGH s'redit elephant 235 FOH Sa souvraya niende misain ye I am lost in my own mind 422 TSR Saidar female half of the TrueSource 140 EOW Saidin male half of the True Source xiiiEOW sam slayer * * Sammael Slayer of Hope * * segade cactus 98 FOH seia black * * Seia Doon Black Eyes 252 TSR Sene sovya caba'donde ain =============== Reply 2 of Note 4 ================= Board: SCIENCE FICTION BB Topic: ROBERT JORDAN Subject: EXPORT THIS To: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Date: 07/07 From: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Time: 12:23 PM <note 3 of 11> doviendya Luck is a horse to ride like any other 81 FOH Serenla stubborn daughter 43 FOH Sha'mad Conde Thunder Walkers 252 TSR Shadar Logoth The Place where the Shadow Waits 244 EOW Shae'en M'taal Stone Dog 326 TDR Shaiel Woman who is Dedicated 392 TSR shain sworn to peace * * Shen an Calhar The Band of the Red Hand 610 FOH shin wind * * siswai'aman the spear of the Dragon 524 FOH So'jhin heriditary upper servant 35 TSR sorda rat 92 FOH Sorei runners * * Sovin Nai Knife Hands gls FOH staera copper scraping stick 100 FOH Sul'dam Holder of the Leash 566 TGH Suravye ninto manshima taishite Peace favor your sword 606 EOW sursa chopsticks 578 TSR T'ingshen Treebrother 622 EOW t'mat tomato 563 TSR Ta'maral'ailen Web of Destiny(of thePattern) 466 EOW Ta'veren centerpoint of the Pattern 466 EOW Tai'shar True blood of… 120 TGH Tain Shari True Bloods 657 TSR Tarmon Gai'don Last Battle 327 TGH Tel'aran'rhiod World of Dreams; Unseen World 189 TDR Tia avende alantin Brother to the Trees 649 EOW Toh obligation or duty 267 TSR Tsingu ma choba I am unworthy 584 EOW Tsingu ma choshih You honor me 622 EOW tu traveling * * Tuatha'an Traveling People 308 EOW zemai corn 563 TSR ***

A compilation of the documents of daberg@leland.stanford.edu, BAClubb Bruce42288@aol.com, Markmk0349@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu, gsfn34d@prodigy.com, and Aaron17 aaron17@aol.com. Also drawed upon is the long letter that Don Harlow donh@netcom.com was nice enough to send. I compiled, typed, and edited this document. I did not, however, find most of the words.

Key: ?= indicates uncertainty Words: a = /preposition or article/ a'dam = leashed one /see "dam"/ a'vron = watcher /see "vron/" aan = one aan'allein = one man /see "aan" and "allein"/ aethan ?= shields /see "aethan dor"/ aiel = dedicated ailen = ??? /see "ta'maral'ailen"/ ain ?= is /see note 1/ al = /article/ al'cair'rahienallen = Cairhein /See "cair", "rahien" and

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<note 4 of 11> "allen"/ alcair = the golden algai'd'siswai ?= the spear fighters /see "gai" and "siswai"/ alantin = brother aldazar = the eagle /see "dazar"/ aldieb = westwind algode = cotton allein = man allen ?= hill allende = ??? /see phrase "Muad'drin tia dar allende caba'drin rhadiem"/ aman = dragon an = /preposition/ or /pluralization as suffix/… angreal = /tool of the power/ aridhol = ??? /a city of the second covenant/ asmodean = ??? /contraction of real name?/ atha ?= person atha'an ?= peoples /see "atha" and "an" and "atha'an miere"/ aven ?= call avende = tree avendesora = the Tree of Life avendoraldera = Cutting/Sapling of Tree of Life ayende = release/freedom balthamel = ??? /a Forsaken/ be'lal = ??? /a Forsaken/ bekkar ?= blood cab ?= free /note/ caba = horse caba'donde = /see "caba", "donde", "Sene sovya caba'donde ain dovienya"/ caba'drin = cavalry/horsemen caballein = free man /see "cab" and "allein" and note 3/ cadin = ??? /see "cadin'sor"/ cadin'sor = working clothes cair = gold cal = red caldazar = red eagle /see "cal" and "dazar"/ calhar = red hand /see "cal" and "har"/ calichniye = welcome car = chief car'a'carn = Chief of Chiefs /see "car" and "carn"/ carai = for the honor /or/ honor carn = chiefs chalinda = sweet girl cor = night corenne = return cue = heart cuebiyari = /rel. to heart/ /see "cue" and phrase "valdar cuebiyari"/ cuendillar = heartstone da'shain = /see note 4 and phrase "da'shain aiel"/ dadaranell = ??? /see phrase "mafal dadaranell"/ daghain = ??? /see phrase "Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar"/ dai = Battle /see note 4/ dal = bowl dam = leash damane = leashed one /see "dam" and "aan"/

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<note 5 of 11> dar = ??? /see phrase "Muad'drin tia dar allende caba'drin rhadiem"/ dar = sister darei = spear dareis = spear dazar = eagle demandred = ??? /a forsaken/ din = brother do ?= over /a preposition/ domashita ?= warms /see phrase "Ninte calichniye no domashitsa"/ don = ??? /see "gai'don"/ donde ?= to ride /see "caba'donde"/ dor ?= red /see "aethan dor"/ dovie = /rel. to luck/ /see "dovie'andi" and "dovienya"/ dovie'andi ?= dice /see "dovie" and phrase "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain"/ dovienya = luck drelle = river of drin = soldiers duadhe ?= water duente = ??? /see phrase "Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar"/ e = and en = ??? /see "jeade'en" and "shae'en m'taal" and note 2/ ellisande = rose of the sun faile = falcon far = for ga = ??? /see phrase "Kodome Calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai hei"/ gai = battle /See note 4/ gai'don = ??? /see "gai", "tarmon gai'don"/ gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle /see "gai" and note 4/ gaidin = battle brother /warder/ /see "gai" and "din"/ graendal = ??? /a forsaken/ hailene = forerunners hama = ??? /See phrase "Hama N'dore"/ har = hand hei = always in ?= /pluralization/ /see note/ inde = no /or/ not /general negation/ isain = is /see note 1/ isainde = isn't /contraction/ /see "isain" and "inde"/ isha ?= betrayer /possibly no 'a'/ ishamael = betrayer of hope /a Forsaken/ /see "isha" and "mael"/ jeade = ??? /see "jeade'en"/ jeade'en = true finder jenn = truly /or/ true jhin = ??? /see "so'jhin"/ ji = honor kardon = green skinned fruit from a leafless spiny plant kiserai = glory kodome = ??? /see phrase "Kodome calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai hei"/ lanfear = doughter of the night /a forsaken/ logoth = ??? /see phrase "shadar logoth"/ los = forward m'taal = ??? /see phrase "shae'en m'taal"/

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<note 6 of 11> ma = /contraction/ /see "ma'vron"/ ma'vron ?= /contraction/ /see "miere" and "vron"/ machin = ??? /see phrase "machin shin"/ mad = ??? /see "sha'mad"/ mael = hope mafal = ??? /see phrase "mafal dadaranell"/ mahdi = seeker mahdi'in = seeker(s) /suffix is pluralization?/ mai = maiden(s) man = /related to sword or blade/ /see "mandarb", "manshima"/ mandarb = blade manetheren = mountain home manetherendrelle = waters of mountain home /see "manetheren" and "drelle"/ manshima ?= sword /see "man", "Suravye ninto manshima taishite"/ maral = ??? /see "ta'maral'ailen"/ marath ?= those who must /see "marath'damane"/ marath'damane = those who must be leashed /see "damane"/ mashiara = beloved of heart /or/ a love lost mesaana = ??? /a forsaken/ mi = my mia = my miere = ocean/waves misain = am /see note 1/ moghedien ?= spider /a forsaken/ mordero = ??? /see phrase "Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar"/ Moridin ?= death /see phrase "Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin"/ muad = foot muad'drin = /see "muad" and "drin"/ muaghde ?= meat n'dore = ??? /See phrase "hama n'dore"/ nei = ??? /see phrase "sovin nei"/ ni = ??? /see phrase "Kodome calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai hei"/ ninte = your ninto = your no = me /first person singular pre-verb direct object pronoun/ on ?= /pluralization/ /see note 2/ oosquai ?= whiskey /or some other alchoholic beverage/ ordeith = wormwood pas = ??? /see phrase "Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar"/ rahien = dawn rahvin = ??? /a forsaken/ rhadiem = ??? /see phrase "Muad'drin tia dar allende caba'drin rhadiem"/ rhyagelle = those who come home sa ?= /superlative prefix/ /or/ /reflexive pronoun/ sa'angreal = very strong Power channel /see "sa" and "angreal"/ sa'sara = "superlative" dance /see "sa" and "sara"/ sag ?= time /see "sagain"/ sagain = it's time /see "sag", "ain" and "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain"/ sai = /related to power/

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<note 7 of 11> saidar = female half of power /see "sai" and "dar"/ saidin = male half of power /see "sai" and "din"/ sam ?= destroyer sammael = destroyer of hope /a forsaken/ /see "sam" and "mael"/ sara = dance /see "sa'sara"/ se = themselves /reflexive pre-verb pronoun/ seia = ??? /see phrase "seia doon"/ semirhage = ??? /a forsaken/ sene ?= as/like /see phrase "Sene sovya caba'donde ain dovienya"/ serenla = stubborn daughter sha = ??? /see "sha'mad"/ sha'mad = ??? /see phrase "sha'mad conde"/ shadar = ??? /see phrase "shadar logoth"/ shae = ??? /see "shae'en"/ shae'en = ??? /see phrase "shae'en m'taal"/ shaiel = she who is dedicated /see aiel/ shain ?= peace /see note 4/ shambayan = chamberlain shan ?= lord shar = ??? /see "tai'shar"/ shari = /plural of "shar"/ shatayan = chatelaine shen = band shoufa = dustveil siswai = spear siswai'aman = /see "siswai" and "aman"/ so = ??? /see "so'jhin"/ so'jhin = /hereditary upper servants of the blood/ sor = /see "cadin'sor"/ sorda = rat sorei = runner(s) sovin = ??? /see phrase "sovin nei"/ souvraya = ??? /see phrase "Sa souvraya niende misain ye"/ sovya ?= another /see phrase "Sene sovya caba'donde ain dovienya"/ staera = copper scraping stick sul ?= holder /see "sul'dam"/ sul'dam = leash holder /see "dam"/ suravye = ??? /see phrase "Suravye ninto manshima taishite"/ sursa = chopsticks t'mat ?= tomato ta = /rel. to pattern/ ta'maral'ailen = web of destiny around ta'veren /see "ta"/ ta'veren = focal point of pattern /see "ta"/ taal = ??? /see "m'taal"/ tai = ??? /see "tai'shar"/ tai'shar = true blood tain = /plural of "tai"/ taishite = ??? /see phrase "Suravye ninto manshima taishite"/ tarmon ?= last /see phrase "tarmon gai'don"/ tel'aran'rhiod = world of dreams /or/ unseen world ter = ??? /see "ter'angreal"/ ter'angreal = director of power /see "angreal"/ ti = to tia = to toh = obligation/duty

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<note 8 of 11> tovya = roll /probably third person plural reflexive form/ tuatha = /contraction involving "atha"/ tuatha'an = Traveling People /see "tuatha" and "atha'an"/ vadin = bar/barrier val ?= guard /see "valdar" and "valon"/ valdar = ??? /see phrase "valdar cuebiyari"/ valon ?= guards /see "val", "on" and phrase "tar valon"/ vron = watcher(s) wansho = builder(s) ye = I /or/ /exclamatory fragment without meaning/ zemai = maize or corn

Note 1: "Misain", "isain" and "ain" all appear to be forms of the verb "to be". Note 2: "An", "in", "on" and "en" all seem to indicate pluralization in some context or another. It is possible that the "-n" suffix is all that is really needed. Note 3: "Caballein", it has been suggested, might be a contraction of "caba" and "allein" meaning "horseman". The use of it as "free man" would then be a cultural thing. This would avoid the creation of the new word "cab" meaning "free". Note 4: "Dai" and "gai" seem to both mean battle. Also, "Da'shain" and "Gai'shain" are very much alike. "Shain" seems to mean something along the lines of "sworn to peace". There is also "Dai Shan" which sounds somewhat alike but means "Battle Lord". Draw your own conclusions. Phrases:

aes sedai=servant to/of all                               

My guess is that this phrase should probably be translated "to all servant". Thus "aes" would probably be a contraction of "a" and the word meaning "all". "Sedai" would then mean servant.

aethan dor = red shields                                  

An aiel warrior society. Possibly the "-n" ending indicates that "aethan" means shields, and thus "dor" would be another word for "red" in addition to "cal".

al caldazar = the red eagle                               

The sign of Manetheren. "Cal" means "red", and "dalzar" means "eagle".

al ellisande = the rose of the sun                        

The sign for Aemon's wife, Eldrene. "Ellisande" can probably be divided into two words, but I have no idea how.

alcair dal = the golden bowl                              

An aiel meeting place. "Cair" means "gold" and "dal" means bowl.

atha'an miere = the sea folk                              

Probably literally "people sea" as "miere" means "sea", "atha'an" is the pluralization of "atha" meaning "person"

Caballein misain ye = I am a free man                     

Probably literally "Free man am I". "Cab" means "free", "allein" means "man", "misain" means "am", and "ye" means "I".

Carai an caldazar = For the honor of the red eagle        

"Carai" means "honor", "an" is a preposition in this case, probably "of", "cal" means "red" and "dazar" means "eagle".

Carai an ellisande = for the honor of the rose of the     

sun "Carai" means "honor", "an" is a preposition meaning

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To: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Date: 07/07 From: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Time: 12:24 PM

<note 9 of 11> "of" and "ellisande" means "the rose of the sun".

cor darei = night spears                                  

An Aiel warrior society. "Cor" means "night" and "darei" means "spears".

daes daemar = the great game /or/ the game of the         

houses. I have no idea what any of the two to three words in this phrase mean.

da'shain aiel = the original name for the aiel            

"Aiel" means dedicated. See note 1 above for interpretation of da'shain.

dai shan = battle lord                                    

"Dai" means "battle", "shan" means lord. See also note 1 above.

do miere a'vron = the watchers over the sea               

Probably literally "over ocean, watchers". "Do" means "over", "miere" means "ocean" and "vron" means "watchers".

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain = It's time to roll the dice   

"Dovie" seems to be related to "dovienya" which means "luck". Following the normal sentence order, this probably means "Dice themselves roll time it is." Thus, "Dovie'andi" means "dice", "se" is a relexive pronoun "themselves", "tovya" is a conjugation of "to roll", "sag" means "time" and "ain" means "is". The only two that cross-reference, however, are "ain" and "Dovie'andi".

duadhe mahdi'in = water seekers                           

An Aiel warrior society. "Duadhe" means "water" and "mahdi'in" is the pluralistaion of "mahdi" which means "seeker".

far aldazar din = brothers of the eagle                   

Probably literally "for the eagle, brother". An Aiel warrior society. "Far" means "for", "dazar" means "eagle" and "din" means "brother".

far dareis mai = maidens of the spear                     

Probably literally "for spear, maiden". The Aiel female warrior society. "Far" means "for", "darei" means "spear", and "mai" means "maiden".

hama n'dore = mountain dancers                            

An Aiel warrior society. No idea on either word.

Inde muaghde Aes Sedai misain ye = I am no Aes Sedai meat.

Probably literally "not meat Aes Sedai am I" with the Aes Sedai modifying the preceding noun. "Inde" means negation, "muaghde" means "meat", "misain" means "am" and "ye" means "I".

jenn aiel = the "true" aiel                               

Probably literally "truly dedicated". The name for the "tribe" of Aiel who built Rhuidean. "Jenn" means "true" or "truly", and "aiel" means "dedicated".

Kiserai ti wansho = glory to the builders                 

"Kiserai" means "glory", "ti" means "to" and "wansho" means "builders".

Kodome calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai hei = Here is always a  

welcome for Aes Sedai. Probably literally "??? welcome ??? ??? Aes Sedai always". "Calichniye" means "welcome" and "hei" means "always".

Los caba'drin = horsemen/cavalry forward                  

"Los" means "forward", "caba" means "horse" and "drin" means "soldier"

Los valdar cuebiyari = Heart-guard foward                 

"Los" means "forward" and "valdar cuebiyari" means "the heart guard".

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<note 10 of 11>

machin shin = the black wind. The wind in the ways. No    

idea on word order.

mafal dadaranell = old name for Fal Dara No idea on any   

word.

Mia ayende, Aes Sedai = release me, Aes Sedai. Probably   

literally "my release/freedom, Aes Sedai". "Mia" means "my" and "ayende" means "release/freedom".

Mia dovienya nesodhin soende = ???                        

Probably literally "My luck ??? ???". If the normal word order holds, "nesodhin" is the very and "soende" is the subject. Mat says that this sunded like a "fervent wish."

Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar = ???                 

"Cuebiyar" could be related to "cuebiyari" which might mean "guard". See "valdar cuebiyari".

Muad'drin tia dar allende caba'drin rhadiem = Footmen     

prepare to pass cavalry. Probably literally "Foot soldiers to ??? ??? horse soldiers ???" "Muad" means "foot", "drin" means "soldier", "tia" means "to" and "caba" means "horse"

Ninte calichniye no domashitsa = Your welcome warms me    

Probably literally "Your welcome me warms" with the direct object coming before the verb. "Ninte" means "your", "calichniye" means "welcome", "no" means "me" and "domashita" means "warms".

rahien sorei = dawn runners. An Aiel warrior society.     

"Rahien" means "dawn" and "sorei" means "runners".

Sa souvraya niende misain ye = I am lost in my own mind.  

Probably literally "??? ??? ??? am I". "Misain" means "am", "ye" means "I". "Sa" does not appear to be a superlative in this sentence. Possibly literally "in my own mind lost am I" In this scenarion, "sa" could either mean a reflexive (own) or in could be a preposition meaning "in". I would also guess that "aya" or something close to this may be a possesive suffix.

seia doon = black eyes. An Aiel warrior society. No idea  

on word order.

Sene sovya caba'donde ain dovienya = Luck is a horse to   

ride like any other. Probably literally "As/like another a horse to ride is luck". Thus, "sene" means "as/like", "sovya" means "another", "donde" means to ride, "ain" means "is" and "dovienya" means "luck".

sha'mad conde = thunder walkers. An Aiel warrior          

society. No idea on word order.

shadar logoth = shadow's waiting. The present name for    

Aridhol. No idea on word order.

shae'en m'taal = stone dogs. An Aiel warrior society. No  

idea.

shen an calhar = the band of the red hand. "Shen" means   

"band", "an" means "of", "cal" means "red" and "har" means "hand".

sovin nai = knife hands. No idea on word order.           
Suravye ninto manshima taishite = Peace favor your        

sword. Probably literally means "??? your sword ???". No idea on the unknown word order. "Ninto" means "your" and "manshima" probably means "sword" as "man" is also present in "mandarb".

tain shari = true bloods. "Tain" is the plural of "tai"   

and "shari" is the plural of "shar".No idea on word order. See also "tai'shar".

tar valon = tower guards. "Val" probably means "guard"    

and "on" may be a plural ending which implies that "tar"

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<note 11 of 11> probably means "tower".

tarmon gai'don = last battle. "Gai" means battle. No      

idea on rest.

tia avende alantin = Ogier. Probably literally "to the    

trees, brother". "Tia" means "to", "avende" means "tree" and "alantin" means "brother".

Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin = The grave is no bar   

to my call. The phrase on the Horn of Valere. Probably literally "To my call, death isn't bar". "Tia" means "to", "mi" means "my", "aven" means "call", "moridin" means "death", "isainde" means "isn't", and "vadin" means "bar" or "barrier". Another interpretation of this stems from the fact that the above does not conform to the fairly standard predicate-verb-subject word order. Under that interpretation, this would probably literally be "To my call, barrier isn't call" changing the meaning of "Moridin" to "barrier" and "vadin" to "death". My personal opinion is that the capitalization of "Moridin" indicates that it means "death" as there is relatively little reason to capitalize "barrier".

valdar cuebiyari = the heart guard                        

"Val" probably means "guard" and "cue" means "heart". The interesting thing here is that "dar" means "sister". I am not sure what to make of this.

There are probably numerous errors in this file as it is based on a lot of speculation. If you find any, can you please e-mail me at daberg@leland.stanford.edu. Thank You. Aaron

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<note 1 of 2> "Dear Carolyn, Thank you for your letter. It is good to hear about your newsletter and the activity of my fans. I think I need to address your question about the stories. you are right about stories set in my world or my landscape or my world's history plagiarizing my creation, and plagiarism is theft; a benign theft in the case of a fan publication, but just the same, an author's sole property rights to his creating lie in his copyright, and to infringe my copyright is to steal from me…Even if I were to set restrictions, any permission or approval from me would set a precedent that I cannot and will not set. you might agree not to use any of my characters, say, but another fan club might not be as correct as you have been regarding asking permission, yet take publication by your newsletter of stories in my world as an okay to do the same. Like Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, I might well find stories being published that do include my characters, and published to make a buck. Such would lead to all sorts of legal wrangles. For that reason, I cannot give you such permission. As to role playing, that is an entirely different matter. As long as there is no commercial consideration involved, feel free. With regard to sanctioning your club, I'm afraid I can't. I do not intend to sanction any fan club; there are a number of clubs, and I really can't favor one over another. I hope you understand. Now about how evil the Forsaken are. I'm not really sure you define evil. Part of what I am writing about is just how ordinary evil is. In many ways, without the One Power, the Forsaken would be no more than Darkfriends, though perhaps a bit more than ordinary. True, their callousness toward the pain, suffering, even death of ordinary people, and the way they submerge everything and everyone in their own quest for power–and true immortality–their willingness to deliver the world to the Dark One in that quest, are shared by many who do not have their powers. The point is that they are human; they haven't gotten rid of human emotions, or human weaknessesexcept for a few physical ones. They are not gods, nor even demi-gods, though they seek to be and think they already are. But believe me, there is nothing they will not do to achieve their goals, no price too high to pay–especially if it is paid by someone else, or millions of someone elses. And Lanfear holding back and doing good for Rand's sake? Ha! She was psychically fixed on possessing a man who never loved her. Even with that, her desire for Rand was as much a desire for power as for him. To be the one to deliver the Dragon Reborn to the service of the Shadow; that would set her above the other Forsaken.

And learning that the access ter'angreal for the two huge sa'angreal were still in existence….Sure, she wanted his love–not least because it had been denied her; Lanfear was a woman who claimed a right to anything she wanted–wanted his devotion, but even more than his body, Lanfear wanted power, the power possibly to replace the Dark One, even to replace the Creator.

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<note 2 of 2> For Rand's sake? Not a chance. I must say that I'm not surprised that most of your predictions didn't come out. I try to avoid doing what people expect. And I avoid answering questions, at least about what is happening in the books. If I answer some, people can begin to figure out some important things that I mean to hide simply by which I answer and which I don't. Whether you decide to go with publishing or illustration for a career–or both–good luck. Again, thanks for your letter. With best wishes, I remain, Sincerely, Robert Jordan."

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<note 1 of 4> March 1, 1994 "Dear Carolyn: Thanks for your letter of February 6. I've had requests for info about starting clubs from three or four people, and have given them the address of The Chronicles. In addition, there was/is a club in Columbia S.C., but I've lost their address. In Scotland I was given a seventy-page printout of "facts deduced" about the books by a Jordan discussion group on Internet, which I am told has broken away from the main SF/Fantasy group. A fan wrote giving me the "address " of this group, but I would have to go through all the filed letters to find it; as I am not on any of the nets, I did not make a note of it. Otherwise, it's hearsay, that the clubs exist on the nets. If I find any addresses, I will send them on to you. Does evil need to be effective to be evil? And how do you define effectiveness? Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge managed to murder about 25-30% of Cambodia's population, destroy the country's agricultural and industrial base, fairly well wipe out the educated class inside the country (defined as anyone with an education beyond the ability to read; a good many of those went too, of course), and in general became so rabid that only China was willing to maintain any sort of contact with them, and that at arm's length. Their rabidity was the prime reason that they ended up losing the country. (though they are still around and still causing trouble.) In other words, they were extremely ineffective in attaining their goal, which was to seize Cambodia, remake it in the way Pol Pot wished (and still wishes), and export their brand of revolution abroad. Looking at the death toll, the cities emptied out (hospital patients were told they had one hour to leave or die; post-op patients, those still in the operating room, everybody), the murders of entire families down to infants because one member of the family was suspected of "counter-revolutionary" crimes, the mass executions (one method was for hundreds of people to be bound hand and foot, then bulldozed into graves alive; the bulldozers drove back and forth over these mass graves until attempts to dig out stopped) – given all of that, can you say that Khmer Roughe's ineffectiveness made them less evil? Irrationality is more fearful than rationality (if we can use that term in this regard) because if you have brown hair and know that the serial killer out there is only killing blondes, you are safe, but if he is one of those following no easily discernible pattern, if every murder seems truly random, then it could be you who will be next. But "rationality" can have its terrors. What if that killer is only after brunettes named Carolyn? Stalin had the very rational goal (according to Communist dogma) of forcibly collectivizing all farmland in the Soviet Union. He was effective – all the land was collectivized – and to do it he murdered some thirty million small farmers who did not want to go along. But are the Forsaken ineffective or irrational? Are they any more divided than any other group plotting got take over a country, a world, IBM? True, they plot to secure power for themselves. But I give you Stalin v. Trotsky and the entire history of the Soviet Union. I give you Thomas Jefferson v. Alexander Hamilton v. John Adams, and we will ignore such thins as Jefferson's hounding of Aaron Burr (he tore up the Constitution to do it; double jeopardy, habeas

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<note 2 of 4> corpus, the whole nine yards), or Horatio Gates' attempted military coup against Washington, with the support of a fair amount of the Continental Congress. We can also ignore Secretary of War Stanton's attempts to undermine Lincoln throughout the Civil War, the New England states' attempt to make a separate peace with England during the Revolution and their continued trading with the enemy (the British again) during the War of 1812, and… The list could go on forever, frankly, and take in every country. Human nature is to seize personal advantage, and when the situation is the one the Forsaken face (namely that one of them will be given the rule of the entire earth while the others are forever subordinate), they are going to maneuver and backstab like crazy. You yourself say "If ever there was the possibility that some alien force was going to invade this planet, half the countries would refuse to admit the problem, the other half would be fighting each other to figure out who will lead the countries into battle, etc." Even events like Rahvin or Sammael or Be'lal seizing a nation have a basis. What better way to hand over large chunks of land and people to the Dark One than to be ruler of those elands and people? The thing is that they are human. But aside from that, are you sure that you know what they are up to? All of them? Are you sure you know what the Dark One's own plans are? Now let's see about Ran and his dangers and his allies. Have you been skimming, my dear? What makes you think the Tairens, Cairhienin and Andorans are solidly behind him? they're plotting and scheming as hard as the Forsaken. Rand is the Dragon Reborn, but this is my country, and we don't need anybody, and so on. And then there are those who don't think he is the DR at all, just a puppet of Tar Valon. Most of the Aiel may be behind him, but the Shaido are still around, and the bleackness is still taking its toll, since not all Aiel can face up to what Rand has told them about themselves. What makes you think the Seanchan will fall in behind rand? Have you seen any Seanchan volunteers showing up? Carolyn, half of these people are denying there is a problem, and half are trying to be big honcho themselves. Read again, Carolyn. The world Rand lives in is getting more frenzied and turbulent. Damned few are saying, "Lead, because you know best." A good many who are following are saying "Lead, because I'd rather follow you than have you call down lightning and burn me to a crisp!" As for lack of challenge, I refer you again to the question about whether you really think you know what all the Forsaken are planning. Or what Padan Fain is up to. There is a flaw inherent in fiction, one that is overcome by suspension of disbelief. We do always know, somewhere in the back of our heads, that the hero is going to make it through as far as he needs to. After all, if Frodo buys the farm, the story is over, kids. The excitement comes in trying to figure out how he can possibly wiggle out, how he can possibly triumph. In Rand's case, let's see what he still has stacked against him. The Cairhienin and Tairens are for the most part reluctant allies, and in many cases not even that. At the end of FIRES, he has Caemlyn, but I don't see any Andoran nobles crowding around to hail him. Illian still belongs to Sammael. Pedron Niall is working to convince people Rand is

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<note 3 of 4> a false Dragon, and the Prophet is alienating ten people for every one he convinces. Tarabon and Arad Doman are unholy messes; even if Rand manages to get in touch with all of the Dragonsworn – who are not organized beyond individual bands – he has two humongous civil wars to deal with. True, he can use the Aiel to suppress those, but he has to avoid men killing men too much; there are Trollocs waiting to spill out of the Blight eventually. We must always remember the Trollocs, Myrddraal etc; the last time they came out in force, it took over 300 years to beat them back, and the Last Battle doesn't give Rand anywhere near that. Altara and Murandy are so divided in any case that simply getting the king or queen on his side isn't going to work; remember that most people in those two countries give loyalty to a city or a local lord and only toss in their country as an afterthought. Davram Bashere thinks Tenobia will bring Saldaea to Rand, and that is possible since the Borderlands would be one place where everyone is aware of the Last Battle and the Prophecies, but even Bashere isn't willing to make any promises, not even for Saldaea much less the other Borderlands, and I haven't seen any Borderland rulers showing up to hand Rand the keys to the kingdom. Padan Fain is out there, able to feel Rand, and hating him because of what was done to him, Fain, to make him able to find Rand. The surviving Forsaken are out there and except for Sammael, nobody knows what they are up to or where they can be found. For that matter, who knows everything that Sammael is up to? Elaida, in the White Tower, thinks Rand has to be tightly controlled. The Salidar Aes Sedai are not simply ready to fall in and kiss his boots, either. Aes Sedai have been manipulating the world for more than three thousand years, guiding it, making sure it remembers the Dark One and Tarmon Gai'don as real threats, doing their best, as they see it, to prepare the world for the Dark One breaking free. Are they likely to simply step aside and hand over control to a farmboy, even if he is the Dragon Reborn? Even after Moiraine decided he had to be given his head, Siuan was reluctant, and Siuan was in Moiraine's little conspiracy from the beginning. And the Seanchan…The last we saw of their forces, they were commanded by a Darkfriend. As for the Sea Folk, do you know what their prophecy says about the Coramoor? Do you think working with them it will be any simpler than dealing with the Aiel, say? Now, what and who does Rand have solidly in his camp? Perrin knows what is needed, but he's hardly happy about it. What he really wants is to settle down with Faile and be a blacksmith; everything else is a reluctant duty. Mat blew the Horn of Valere, but it's hidden in the Tower, and frankly, if he could figure some way to go away and spend the rest of his life carousing and chasing women, he would. He'll do what he has to do, but Light he doesn't want to. The Aiel are for Rand (less the Shaido, still a formidable force), but the Dragon Reborn and the Last Battle are no part of the Prophecy of Rhuidean. That is all wetlander stuff. Besides which, they are still suffering losses from bleakness, people throwing down their spears and leaving, people defecting to the Shaido or drifting back to the Waste because what Rand told them of their origins can't possibly be true and if it isn't then he can't be the

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<note 4 of 4> car'a'carn. Rand has declared an amnesty for men who can channel and is trying to gather them in; they, at least, should give their loyalty to him. But how many can he find? How much can he teach them in the time he has? How many will go mad before the Last Battle? There is still the taint on saidin, remember. For that matter, can Rand hang onto his own sanity? What effect will having a madman inside his head have? Can he stop Lews Therin from taking him over? I know that was supposed to be a listing of what Rand has in his favor, but the fact is that he is walking the razor's edge, barely hanging onto his sanity and growing more paranoid all the time, barely hanging onto putative allies, most of whom would just as soon see him go away in the hope that then everything would be the way it was before he showed up, confronted by enemies on every side. In short he has challenges enough for ten men. I've had people writ to say they can't see how Rand is going to untangle all of this and get humanity ready to face the Last Battle. What I say is, what you believe to be true is not always true. What you think is going to happen is not always going to happen. That has been demonstrated time and again in THE WHEEL OF TIME. You could call those two statements one of the themes of the books. Hey, don't publish the picture Gerard gave you. Our house has no wrought-iron gates. Also, no renovation has been done here since the fix-up after Hurricane Hugo several years ago. I kid you not. Poor Gerard go the wrong house. I'm glad you don't intend to publish any address, whether or not it is mine. There are fans who write letters, and then there are fans who show up at the front door unannounced. I hate to be rude to people, but with the time I spend writing, I barely have time for a social life with my friends, and frankly, someone who has managed to track you down is going to think you have cheated them if you scribble your name in their book and say, "Now go away. I'm busy." Believe me. Well, again, thanks for the letter, Carolyn. Do keep me abreast of what's happening with The Chronicles. I really would like to see copies, if it is possible for you to send them to me care of Tor Books. With best wishes, I remain, Sincerely, Robert Jordan cc: file RJ/hm-n" Moiraine

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<note 1 of 8> The Wheel of Time A Detailed Chronology Richard S. Millard October 30, 1992 1992 by Richard S. Millard The Wheel of Time A Detailed Chronology

   A previous paper has attempted to set out a general    

chronology of the thirty years leading up to the action of The Wheel of Time, and to establish the ages of the main participants. This paper attempts to establish a more precise and detailed chronology for the years 997-998 NE.

   It is not possible to develop a precise, day-by day    

chronology for all of the books. The Dragon Reborn, for example, contains so few guides that only the most general statements are possible. However, for other books we can do much better, and for some periods, at least, something like a day-by day chronology is indeed possible.

   The discussion that follows uses our current calendar  

simply because we must use something, and we have no information regarding the Third Age calendar. We do know that the year was divided into months (see GH p. 450, ch. 37) and months into weeks (see GH p. 381, ch. 31), but we know neither the names nor the number of those months. Similarly, we have know way of knowing whether the new year began in the winter, on what we would call January 1, or at some other time. What follows is necessarily an estimate and to some extent is arbitrary, but should provide at least a moderately accurate indication of the relative times of various events.

   As in the previous paper, the following abbreviations  

are used

   EW - The Eye of the World                              
   GH - The Great Hunt                                    
   DR - The Dragon Reborn                                 
   SR - The Shadow Rising                                 

Again, page citations are to the hardcover editions; chapter citations are provided for other readers.

        1. The Eye of the World.  The action of           

The Eye of the World begins on the day of Winternight, 997 NE, the day before the spring festival of Bel Tine (EW p. 3, ch. 1), and occupies a period of approximately 60 days. We know that the festival occurs approximately a month after the beginning of spring ("spring should have come a good month since", EW p. 1, ch. 1, and see p. 30, ch. 3), and that Bel Tine normally coincides with the sprouting of the first crops and the birth of the first lambs, when spring has "well and truly arrived" (EW, p. 9, ch. 1)

   We cannot translate Winternight and Bel Tine to our    

calendar with precision, but we can make some educated guesses based on what we know of the climate of the Two Rivers. Our most important clue, perhaps, is that the Two Rivers is well known as a center for the production of tobacco (EW p. 503, ch. 40 and p. 589, ch. 46; SR p. 163, ch. 13 and p. 421, ch. 37). Based on what we know of the requirements for growing tobacco and of the climates of current tobacco growing regions (such as the Chesapeake

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<note 2 of 8> region of the United States), we can assume that a "normal" spring in the Two Rivers would begin in early to mid March, and that the Bel Tine festival would normally be held in perhaps the second week of April - say April 10 or April 15. It is somewhat tempting to equate the Bel Tine dance at which the young women of Emond's Field dance the "pole" with a traditional European "Maypole" dance, to which it seems very similar, but placing Bel Tine as late as May 1 would not only be inconsistent with the climate of a tobacco growing region, which would be expected to have a slightly earlier spring, but (as will be shown below) would also push the battle at Falme described in The Great Hunt back into winter rather than late fall.

   Once we establish dates for Winternight and Bel        

Tine, the action of The Eye of the World up to the scattering of group in Shadar Logoth can be dated without difficulty. The group leaves Emond's Field on the night of Bel Tine (EW, p. 107, ch. 9 and p. 126, ch. 11) and crosses the Taren the same night (EW p. 139, ch. 12). The journey from the Taren to Baerlon takes six days; the group arrives in Baerlon on the night of the sixth day (EW p. 154, ch. 13). One day is spent in Baerlon, on which Rand meets Padan Fain and challenges the Whitecloaks; a Fade attacks Rand and the group leaves Baerlon that same night (EW p. 210, ch. 17). Two days are spent on the Caemlyn road before the Trollocs attack (EW p. 219, ch.18), and a third day is spent traveling cross country before taking refuge in Shadar Logoth (EW p. 219-231, ch. 18).

   The main difficulties arise after the group breaks     

up in Shadar Logoth. Between this dispersal and the reunion in Caemlyn, there is not sufficient data to track any group other than Rand and Mat, and even Rand and Mat require some estimation. We know that the journey by boat to Whitebridge takes approximately ten days (EW p. 299, ch. 24), and that after reaching Four Kings the remainder of the journey to Caemlyn takes four days (EW p. 417, ch. 33; p. 422, ch. 33; p. 432 ch. 34; p. 43 6, ch. 34 and p. 443, ch. 34). The gaps we cannot fill are the time spent traveling from Whitebridge to Four Kings, and the time spent in Caemlyn before the rest of the group arrives.

   Based on the available maps, it appears that the       

distance from Whitebridge to Four Kings is approximately four times the distance from Four Kings to Caemlyn. However, the time spent covering this distance need not have been proportionally longer. Both Rand and Mat are ill after Four Kings (EW p. 413, 423, ch. 33), and this may have slowed them down; they may have covered the distance from Whitebridge to Four Kings at a faster pace. On the other hand, it is clear that Rand and Mat of ten stopped to work during the journey from Whitebridge to Four Kings, and this would have slowed them down. All in all, it seems safest to assume that the time spent traveling from Whitebridge to Four Kings was in fact roughly proportional to the distance involved, or approximately sixteen days.

   Rand and Mat's time in Caemlyn waiting for Moiraine    

presents a smaller gap. It appears that some time went by between the arrival in Caemlyn and Rand's trip to see Logain (see EW p. 491, ch. 39), in the course of which he met Elayne, Gawyn and Morgase, but no indication is given of the exact amount of time elapsed. It is unlikely, however, that the time was very great. Given Mat's

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<note 3 of 8> condition, Moiraine must have arrived and healed him shortly after he arrived in Caemlyn. If we allow a total of three days before Moiraine's arrival, we should not be too far off.

   Although we cannot track any other members of the      

group before the reunion in Caemlyn, we can fill in a few facts. For example, we know that Perrin and Egwene travel for two days before meeting Elyas Machera (EW p. 282, ch. 23), and spend three days with Elyas and his friends before meeting the Tinkers (EW p. 306-307, ch. 25). We also know that Moiraine, Lan and Nynaeve arrive in Whitebridge only one or two days after Rand and Mat (EW p. 354, ch. 28). Beyond this, however, we simply do not have enough data to justify reaching any conclusions.

   After the reunion in Caemlyn, the chronology once      

more becomes clear. The trip to Fal Dara via the Ways takes two days (EW p. 566, ch. 45), camping once in the Ways (EW p. 567, ch. 45) and staying at Fal Dara on the second night (EW p. 603, ch. 47). The trip from Fal Dara to the Eye of the World also takes two days, with one night spent at Malkier (EW p. 611, ch. 48) and the second night, after the battle with Aginor, at the Eye itself (EW p. 649, ch. 52). The trip back to Fal Dara takes two days, arriving at Fal Dara for the second night (EW p. 653, ch. 53) after camping one night in the Blight (EW p. 652, ch. 53). The final scene between Rand and Egwene takes place seven days later (EW p. 655, ch. 53).

   Thus, a tentative chronology (beginning with an        

arbitrarily chosen date in early April) would be as follows

   Date                         Event                     

April 10 WinternightMoiraine, Lan, Thom Merrilin,

             Padan Fain arrive, Trollocs attack at night  

April 11 Bel Tine Moiraine heals Tam al'Thor; group

             leaves Emond's Field and crosses the Taren at
             night                                        

April 17 Group arrives Baerlon in evening April 18 Day in BaerlonRand meets Padan Fain and

             challenges Whitecloaks; group leaves Baerlon 
             at night                                     

April 21 Trolloc pursuit; group takes refuge in Shadar

             Logoth; Rand, Mat and Thom leave via boat    

April 23 Perrin and Egwene meet Elyas April 26 Perrin, Egwene and Elyas meet Tinkers May 1 Rand, Mat and Thom arrive Whitebridge; Thom

             attacks Fade                                 

May 2/3 Moiraine, Lan and Nynaeve arrive in

             Whitebridge                                  

May 17 Rand and Mat arrive in Four Kings May 21 Rand and Mat arrive in Caemlyn May 24 Rand meets Elayne, Gawyn and Morgase; group

             reunited in Caemlyn; leaves for Fal Dara via 
             Ways that night                              

May 25 Camp in Ways May 26 Arrive at Fal Dara; Padan Fain captured May 27 Travel in Blight; camp at Malkier May 28 Battle at Eye of the World May 30 Return to Fal Dara June 6 Conversation between Rand and Egwene, end of

             The Eye of the World.                        

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<note 4 of 8>

   As will be shown below, the end of The Eye of the      

World cannot occur much more than a week after the date suggested above; extending the action much later in the year would lead to an unacceptably late date for the battle at Falme at the end of The Great Hunt. Moreover, we know that it is still "spring" when the group first arrives at Fal Dara (EW p.580, 584, ch. 46). This would be consistent with a late May or an early June date, especially in a northern climate such as Shienar's, but probably not with a mid-June date.

   On the other hand, to begin the action any earlier     

would require us either to place Bel Tine even earlier in the year, thus assuming a "normal" spring in the first week of March, which seems too early, or to shorten our estimate of the time spent traveling from Whitebridge to Four Kings, neither of which seems reasonable.

   On the whole, it is unlikely that the foregoing        

chronology if off by more than a week to 10 days.

   2.  The Great Hunt.  We know that The Great Hunt       

begins approximately a month after the return to Fal Dara from the Eye of the World (GH p. 3, ch. 1 and p. 117, ch. 8), or three weeks after the conversation between Rand and Egwene that ended The Eye of the World. The characters separate early in the book, as Rand, Mat and Perrin leave Fal Dara with Ingtar to pursue the Horn of Valere, Egwene and Nynaeve travel to Tar Valon to train as Aes Sedai, and Moiraine goes her own way to pursue her researches. There are too few clues to enable us to establish a chronology for Egwene and Nynaeve, or for Moiraine, but we can establish a reasonably reliable chronology for Rand, Mat and Perrin.

   The book opens on the day (Day 1) of the Amyrlin       

Seat's arrival in Fal Dara (GH p. 9, ch. 1). Rand goes into hiding in the women's apartments that afternoon, and the Trollocs attack the keep, rescue Padan Fain and steal the Horn that night (GH p. 70, ch. 6). The Amyrlin interviews Rand and tells him of his heritage the next day (Day 2) (GH p. 98, ch. 7 and p. 108, ch. 8), and Rand, Mat and Perrin leave Fal Dara with Ingtar that same day (GH p. 128, ch. 8).

   The party camps three times on the trail of the        

Trollocs (GH p. 142, 146, ch. 10); these camps are the nights of Days 2, 3 and 4. Two more days (Days 5 and 6) of the same follow (GH p. 146, ch. 10). On the next day, Day 7, the group crosses the River Erinin and camps next to the Portal Stone (GH p. 159, ch. 11), and Rand is given the Dragon banner. Lanfear (Selene) transports Rand, Loial and Hurin by Portal Stone that night.

   Rand's party camps only one night (the night of Day 8) 

in the world of the Portal Stone (GH p. 201, ch. 15); Ba'alzamon visits the camp, and Rand is marked with the first heron, that night. The moon is "almost full" (GH p. 202, ch. 15). On the next day, Day 9, the party passes the field of Talidar, meets Selene, leaves the world of the Portal Stone and camps in Kinslayer's Dagger in the "real" world (GH p. 227, ch. 17).

   This brings us to our first difficulty; we are not     

told exactly how long Rand and his group waited in the mountains for Fain and his Trollocs. We do know that several days elapsed (GH p. 239, ch. 19); and since the time is measured only in days, we can assume that the

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<note 5 of 8> period was less than a week. We are told that on the night Rand attacked the Trollocs and regained the Horn, the moon was "not far past full" (GH p. 240, ch. 19). Since the moon was "nearly full" on the night of Day 8 (see above), it seems reasonable to conclude that perhaps four to six days have passed, placing Rand's seizure of the Horn on the night of Day 12 to Day 14. If we choose Day 13, this results in a four-day (Days 10, 11, 12 and 13) wait in the mountains for the Trollocs, which can't be far off.

   From Kinslayer's Dagger to Cairhien appears to be a    

journey of somewhat over two days (Days 14, 15 and 16), with one camp (Day 14) in the mountains (GH p. 252, ch. 20), one night (Day 15) at The Nine Rings inn in the village of Tremonsien (GH p. 258, ch. 21), with Cairhien reached the next day, Day 16 (GH p. 309, ch. 25). Rand locates Thom Merrilin and visits the Illuminators' compound the next day, Day 17 (GH p. 317, ch. 25 and p. 335, ch. 27). We know that Rand arrives in Cairhien a week before Ingtar, Verin, Mat and Perrin (GH p. 381, ch. 31), which means that Rand must have spent Days 18 through 22 collecting invitations from the noble houses and looking for Selene, before the Darkfriends retake the Horn and Ingtar's party arrives on Day 23.

   Verin, Ingtar and Rand confer on the evening of Day    

23, and attend Lord Barthanes Damodred's party the next night, Day 24 (GH p. 384, ch. 31). After learning that the Horn has been taken through a Waygate, they leave for Stedding Tsofu early on Day 25 (GH p. 410, ch. 34). This day is spent on the road, camping on the road that night (GH p. 422, ch. 35), and Stedding Tsofu is reached the next day, Day 26 (GH p. 423, ch. 35). The group meets with the Elders, encounters Machin Shin at the Waygate and departs by Portal Stone that same day.

   Verin Sedai estimates that the journey by Portal Stone 

consumes four months in the "real world" (GH p. 450, ch. 37), with the group arriving in "late fall", after at least two snows but before true winter has arrived (GH p. 490, ch. 41). After arriving in the evening, the group searches for Fain for three days before reaching the village of Atuan's Mill (GH p. 493, ch. 41). They then separate, in disguise, to pick up Fain's trail, searching for an unknown period which we may estimate at an additional three days (See GH p. 493, ch. 41 and Verin's comments at GH p. 522, ch. 44). Rand, Pat, Perrin, Hurin and Ingtar enter Falme the next day (GH p. 524, ch. 44), retake the Horn, and expel the Seanchan. Rand wakes five days thereafter on the road east from Falme (GH p. 570, ch. 49).

   If, as discussed above, we place the return to         

Fal Dara from the Eye of the World on May 30, then we may construct the following chronology

     Date                         Event                   

July 1 Amyrlin Seat arrives in Fal Dara;

             Trollocs retake Horn of Valere and rescue    
             Padan Fain                                   

July 2 Amyrlin Seat interviews Rand al'Thor;

             Ingtar's party leaves in pursuit of the      
             Horn                                         

July 7 Ingtar's party crosses River Erinin; Rand

             given Dragon Banner; Rand transported by     
             Portal Stone                                 

July 9 Rand meets Selene (Lanfear); returns from

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<note 6 of 8>

             world of Portal Stone                        

July 13 Rand attacks Trollocs in Kinslayer's

             Dagger and regains Horn of Valere            

July 15 Rand encounters great sa'angreal outside

             Tremonsien                                   

July 16 Rand arrives in Cairhien July 17 Rand meets Tom Merrilin; pursued by

             Trollocs; enters Illuminators' compound      

July 23 Darkfriends take Horn of Valere; Ingtar's

            party                                         
             arrives in Cairhien                          

July 24 Rand attends party at Lord Barthanes

             Damodred's mansion                           

July 26 Group arrives at Stedding Tsofu; travels

             by Portal Stone                              

November 26 Group arrives on Toman Head November 29 Searchers for Fain reach Atuan's Mill December 3 Rand, Mat and Perrin regain Horn of

             Valere; Nynaeve, Elayne and Min rescue       
             Egwene from Seanchan; Battle of Falme        

December 8 Rand awakens on road east from Falme

                                                          
These are about the earliest dates possible; to move the  

action forward in the year to any significant degree would require us to begin The Eye of the World at an unreasonably early date. On the other hand, to move the action later in the year would result in arrival on Toman Head in winter rather than late autumn. On the whole, it is unlikely that the chronology suggested for the year 997 is off by more than a week in either direction.

3.  The Dragon Reborn.  The Dragon Reborn presents the    

greatest chronological difficulties of any book in the series. We know that the book begins in the spring of 998, and covers a period of several months, ending in late spring or early summer. Unfortunately, we have no other chronological landmarks, and can only fall back on a rough general estimate.

Since spring has already begun in the lands below the     

mountains (DR p.1, ch. 1 and p. 65, ch. 7), we can assume that the book begins no earlier than mid-April. Based on the time Ingtar takes to travel from Fal Dara to Cairhien in the Great Hunt (23 days), a journey that appears to be no more than 60% of the distance from the Mountains of Mist to Tear, and considering that Rand made at least part of the trip to Tear on foot, an estimate of from 45 to 60 days seems reasonable. This would put Rand in Tear in early to mid-June. Either a June 1 or a June 15 date would be consistent with the chronology of The Shadow Rising, although, all things considered, the longer period, and hence the June 15 date, appears marginally more likely. Perhaps the next book in the series will provide additional clues that will allow us to work backwards to a more definitive date.

4.  The Shadow Rising.  The Shadow Rising covers the      

shortest period of the four books to date; the action occupies a period of approximately 30 days in the summer of 998 NE. Unlike the other books, The Shadow Rising permits us to establish a detailed chronology with some certainty for almost all of the participants.

The entire group is present in Tear when the book begins, 

and remains together there for five days. On the first

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<note 7 of 8> night (Day 1), the "bubbles" of evil attack Mat, Perrin and Rand (SR p. 43, 51, 58 ch. 2). Egwene and Elayne attempt to help Rand learn to control the One Power on the next day (Day 2) (SR p. 100, ch. 7), and Rand and Elayne spend the next three days (Days 3-5) together (SR p. 121, 124, 125, ch. 9). Lanfear visits Rand, and the Trollocs attack the Stone, on the night of Day 5 (SR p. 126, ch. 9, 10). On the next day (Day 6), Rand announces his departure to the nobles of Tear, and the various groups leave Tear, each feeling the Stone shake as Rand implants Callandor in the Heart of the Stone (Perrin SR p. 206, 209, ch. 18; Nynaeve and ElayneSR p. 214, 223, ch. 19). Thereafter, we can follow each group separately.

Rand, Mat, Egwene, Moiraine and Aviendha reach a Portal   

Stone on Day 6, and arrive at Rhuidean that same day; Rand, Mat and Aviendha enter Rhuidean immediately and Moiraine enters later that day. Rand and Mat return from Rhuidean at dawn on the seventh day thereafter (Day 13) (SR p. 386, ch. 34) and Aviendha and Moiraine return that afternoon. The party leaves Rhuidean the next day (Day 14), reaching Imre Stand that night (SR p. 414, ch. 37). From Imre Stand to Cold Rocks Hold is a journey of somewhat over 11 days; the group reaches Cold Rocks on the twelfth day (Day 26) and is attacked by Draghkar that night (SR p. 547, 548, 554, ch. 48, p. 570, 573, ch. 50). Rand leaves the next morning (Day 27) for Alcair Dal (SR p. 577, ch. 50), a journey of 3 to 4 days (SR p. 564, ch. 49). The group arrives early in the day (Day 30, if we allow three full days, and part of a fourth, for the journey); later that same day Rand is proclaimed Car'a'carn, battles Asmodean in Rhuidean and returns to Alcair Dal, where the book ends.

Perrin also leaves Tear on Day 6, spends that day and the 

next Day 7) in the Ways (SR p. 310, ch. 27), and reaches the Manetheren Waygate on the evening of Day 7. The next three days (Days 8-10) are spent traveling from the Mountains of Mist to the Westwood (SR p. 326, ch. 29); the night of Day 10 is spent near the al'Thor farm (SR p. 328, ch. 29). The next day (Day 11) Perrin visits Emond's Field (SR p. 328, ch. 29), learns of his family's death, and meets the Aes Sedai, spending the night in the Westwood. On the following day (Day 12) (SR p. 358, ch. 32), Perrin leads the attack on the Whitecloaks and rescues the prisoners. Six days (Days 13-18) elapse before the ambush in the Waterwood in which Perrin is wounded (SR p. 458, ch. 40), which occurs on Day 19. Perrin spends that night with the Tinkers, and is taken to Emond's Field and healed the next day (Day 20). On the following morning (Day 21) the Trollocs attack Emond's Field for the first time. On the night of Day 28 Perrin marries Faile and sends her away from Emond's Field; seven days have elapsed since the first attack (SR p. 606, ch. 53). The final Trolloc attack takes place the next day, on Day 29.

Elayne and Nynaeve also leave Tear on Day 6.  Since the   

journey by ship to Tanchico takes ten days (SR p. 234, ch. 20; p. 398, ch. 35), presumably including Day 6, they must arrive in Tanchico on the evening of Day 15. Thus, when Egwene and Elayne first meet in Tel'aran'rhiod, on the night of Rand's return from Rhuidean (Day 13), Elayne is still aboard ship, two to three days away from Tanchico (SR p. 398, ch. 35). Nynaeve and Elayne begin their search for the Black Ajah the day after their arrival in Tanchico, Day

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<note 7 of 8> night (Day 1), the "bubbles" of evil attack Mat, Perrin and Rand (SR p. 43, 51, 58 ch. 2). Egwene and Elayne attempt to help Rand learn to control the One Power on the next day (Day 2) (SR p. 100, ch. 7), and Rand and Elayne spend the next three days (Days 3-5) together (SR p. 121, 124, 125, ch. 9). Lanfear visits Rand, and the Trollocs attack the Stone, on the night of Day 5 (SR p. 126, ch. 9, 10). On the next day (Day 6), Rand announces his departure to the nobles of Tear, and the various groups leave Tear, each feeling the Stone shake as Rand implants Callandor in the Heart of the Stone (Perrin SR p. 206, 209, ch. 18; Nynaeve and ElayneSR p. 214, 223, ch. 19). Thereafter, we can follow each group separately.

Rand, Mat, Egwene, Moiraine and Aviendha reach a Portal   

Stone on Day 6, and arrive at Rhuidean that same day; Rand, Mat and Aviendha enter Rhuidean immediately and Moiraine enters later that day. Rand and Mat return from Rhuidean at dawn on the seventh day thereafter (Day 13) (SR p. 386, ch. 34) and Aviendha and Moiraine return that afternoon. The party leaves Rhuidean the next day (Day 14), reaching Imre Stand that night (SR p. 414, ch. 37). From Imre Stand to Cold Rocks Hold is a journey of somewhat over 11 days; the group reaches Cold Rocks on the twelfth day (Day 26) and is attacked by Draghkar that night (SR p. 547, 548, 554, ch. 48, p. 570, 573, ch. 50). Rand leaves the next morning (Day 27) for Alcair Dal (SR p. 577, ch. 50), a journey of 3 to 4 days (SR p. 564, ch. 49). The group arrives early in the day (Day 30, if we allow three full days, and part of a fourth, for the journey); later that same day Rand is proclaimed Car'a'carn, battles Asmodean in Rhuidean and returns to Alcair Dal, where the book ends.

Perrin also leaves Tear on Day 6, spends that day and the 

next Day 7) in the Ways (SR p. 310, ch. 27), and reaches the Manetheren Waygate on the evening of Day 7. The next three days (Days 8-10) are spent traveling from the Mountains of Mist to the Westwood (SR p. 326, ch. 29); the night of Day 10 is spent near the al'Thor farm (SR p. 328, ch. 29). The next day (Day 11) Perrin visits Emond's Field (SR p. 328, ch. 29), learns of his family's death, and meets the Aes Sedai, spending the night in the Westwood. On the following day (Day 12) (SR p. 358, ch. 32), Perrin leads the attack on the Whitecloaks and rescues the prisoners. Six days (Days 13-18) elapse before the ambush in the Waterwood in which Perrin is wounded (SR p. 458, ch. 40), which occurs on Day 19. Perrin spends that night with the Tinkers, and is taken to Emond's Field and healed the next day (Day 20). On the following morning (Day 21) the Trollocs attack Emond's Field for the first time. On the night of Day 28 Perrin marries Faile and sends her away from Emond's Field; seven days have elapsed since the first attack (SR p. 606, ch. 53). The final Trolloc attack takes place the next day, on Day 29.

Elayne and Nynaeve also leave Tear on Day 6.  Since the   

journey by ship to Tanchico takes ten days (SR p. 234, ch. 20; p. 398, ch. 35), presumably including Day 6, they must arrive in Tanchico on the evening of Day 15. Thus, when Egwene and Elayne first meet in Tel'aran'rhiod, on the night of Rand's return from Rhuidean (Day 13), Elayne is still aboard ship, two to three days away from Tanchico (SR p. 398, ch. 35). Nynaeve and Elayne begin their search for the Black Ajah the day after their arrival in Tanchico, Day

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<note 8 of 8> 16 (SR p. 456, ch. 39), and are rescued from Gelb's men by Egeanin after five days of searching, on Day 21 (SR p. 516, ch. 46). That night they have their first encounter with Moghedien (SR p. 524, ch. 46). They first learn that Egeanin is Seanchan after having known her for seven days (SR p. 579, ch. 51); this would be the night of Day 28. That night, when Nynaeve meets Egwene in Tel'aran'rhiod, Egwene is on the road from Cold Rocks Hold to Alcair Dal (SR p. 590, 591, ch. 52). Elayne and Nynaeve enter the Panarch's palace, rescue Amathera and confront Moghedien the next day, Day 29 (SR p. 621, ch. 54).

Although the day-by-day chronology is reasonably clear,   

we have no clear indication of exactly when in the year these events take place. We do know that it is summer in the Two Rivers (SR p. 316, ch. 27; p. 341, ch. 30) and that Suroth had begun sending reports to Seanchan "nearly half a year ago", after solidifying her control of the Forerunners (SR p. 36, ch. 1). If the battle of Falme took place in late November or early December of 997 NE, and if it took some time thereafter for Suroth to consolidate her position, this would point to a date in late June or early July.

We also know that by Day 1 news of Rand has been leaving  

Tear for two weeks (SR p. 40, ch. 2). Unfortunately, the chronology of The Dragon Reborn is so vague that we cannot place the fall of the Stone of Tear with any precision. However, if we assume, as discussed above, that this occurs roughly in mid-June of 998 NE, then the action of The Shadow Rising would begin about July 1. Although this date is arbitrary, it is unlikely to be very far off. On this basis, the chronology of The Shadow Rising would be as follows

     Date              Event                              

July 1 "Whirlpools" of evil attack Rand, Mat and

        Perrin at night                                   

July 2 Egwene and Elayne attempt to teach Rand to

        control the One Power                             

July 6 Elayne and Nynaeve leave Tear for Tanchico;

        Perrin leaves Tear for the Two Rivers; Rand,      
        Mat, Egwene, Aviendha and Moiraine leave Tear     
        and arrive at Rhuidean by Portal Stone; Rand,     
        Mat, Aviendha and Moiraine enter Rhuidean.        

July 7 Perrin arrives at Manetheren July 10 Perrin arrives at al'Thor farm July 11 Perrin arrives in Emond's Field; learns of

        family's death                                    

July 12 Perrin leads rescue of prisoners from

        Whitecloaks                                       

July 13 Rand, Mat, Aviendha and Moiraine return from

        Rhuidean; Egwene meets Elayne in                  
        Tel'aran'rhiod                                    

July 14 Rand's group leaves Rhuidean and arrives at

        Imre Stand; attacked by Trollocs                  

July 15 Elayne and Nynaeve arrive in Tanchico July 16 Elayne and Nynaeve begin search for Black Ajah July 19 Ambush in Waterwood; Perrin wounded, night

        spent with Tinkers                                

July 20 Perrin returns to Emond's Field and is Healed

July 21 First Trolloc attack on Emond's Field; Elayne

        and Nynaeve meet Egeanin; encounter with          

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        Moghedien                                         

July 26 Rand's group arrives at Cold Rocks Hold;

        attacked by Draghkar                              

July 27 Rand's group leaves Cold Rocks Hold for Alcair

        Dal                                               

July 28 Perrin and Faile married in Emond's Field;

        Elayne and Nynaeve learn that Egeanin is          
        Seanchan                                          

July 29 Final Trolloc attack on Emond's Field; Elayne

        and Nynaeve in Panarch's Palace in Tanchico       

July 30 Rand's group arrives at Alcair Dal; Rand

        proclaimed Car'a'carn; battle with Asmodean at    
        Rhuidean                                          

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To: ALL Date: 07/01 From: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Time: 6:55 PM

INFO ON JORDAN FROM FLIER                                 

"About the Author:

   Robert Jordan, creator of The Wheel of Time believes   

that fantasy is an enduring form of literature because it reaches "something deep in people; their dreams." He feels that fantasy literature appeals to a desire for a simpler time of life with recognizable good and evil, and that fantasy provides a universe with rules, order and underlying framework.

   The author has both a degree in physics and a          

military background, unusual credits for a fantasy writer.

   A lifelong resident of Charleston, South Carolina,     

Jordan was born in 1948. With a brother 12 years his senior, Robert began his education at an early age, and his future interest in fantastic literature was inevitable. "When my parents couldn't get a baby-sitter, they'd get my brother," he recalls. "He would read to me, not kids' books, but things he was interested in, like Jules Verne, H.G. Wells and Mark Twain, so I was exposed to a lot of great fiction.

   Jordan served two tours of duty in Vietnam (from       

1968-70), earning the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Bronze star. The Vietnamese twice awarded him with their Cross of Gallantry. After Vietnam, he entered the Citadel, the military college of South Carolina, where he received a degree in physics. In retrospect, Robert Jordan feels that physics is not such an unusual background for a fantasy writer. "You can't study quantum mechanics without a feel for fantasy," he recently reflected, "Schrodinger's Cat alone will kill any logical person dead." After attaining his degree, he was employed by the Navy as a nuclear engineer. He was hospitalized for an injury which gave him a great deal of time to catch up on his reading. Jordan quickly ran out of satisfactory material, and in exasperation, thought he could probably write as well as the authors he had been reading. The Wheel of Time is the happy result. Robert Jordan has now been writing for 13 years, and he has been married for ten. He and his wife live in the Old Historic District of Charleston, in a house dating from 1797. A history buff, he is particularly interested in Charleston's past, and in military history. An outdoors man, Jordan enjoys hunting fishing and sailing, and the indoor sports of poker, chess and pool, and collecting pipes (as found in Jordan's flier and featured in the first issue of "The Chronicles")."

  1. note: the "Hailing Frequency" Jordan Interview that

was featured in the Waldonbooks' Issue 4 publication was reprinted with the Walden Book Company, Inc.'s permission in the Volume I, Issue #2 of "The Chronicles." If you'd like to obtain that issue, please send $1.50 to The Wheel of Time Club, P.O. Box 220322, Chantilly, VA, 22022-3022. (all checks must be made out to Carolyn Fusinato-cash is great if you feel comforable sending it)

 WHY LANFEAR MAY BE GOOD                                  

[<from a letter from Robert Jordan written February 1, 1994> "And Lanfear holding back and doing good for Rand's sake? Ha! She was psychotically fixed on possessing a man who never loved her. Even with that, her desire for Rand

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To: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Date: 07/01 From: DWUE66B JEFFREY VALDEZ Time: 10:52 PM

His real name is James O. Rigney, right? I live near him, BTW (Not to brag or anything…<G>), and I have his phone number and address. He doesn't live too far away from me. Anyways, did you get some of this stuff from the Internet, or AOL? Just curious, because I'm familier with both of the clubs from these two services, and I have a couple copies of the FAQ on the Internet. –Jeff

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Gerard/Machin Shin already tried that # and address in the phone book. Mr. O'Rigney said that that wasn't his house and some other things in his letter which I will post when I can… Moiraine

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Oh, okay. Well, then I DON'T have his address and phone number. <G> It seemed like it would be…it was worth a try…

–Jeff 12:28 PM ET 7/2/94

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was as much a desire for power as for him. To be the one to deliver the Dragon Reborn to the service of the Shadow; _that_ would set her above the other Forsaken. And learning that the access _ter'angreal_ for the two huge _sa'angreal_ were still in existence… Sure, she wanted his love – not least because it had been denied her; Lanfear was a woman who claimed a right to anything she wanted – wanted his devotion, but even more than his body, Lanfear wanted power, the power possibly to replace the Dark One, even to replace the Creator. For Rand's sake? Not a chance." <Moiraine/Carolyn Fusinto BJRK57C@prodigy.com>] WHAT'S WITH MAT DYING AND LIVING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN [Also, the Aiel considers one who is traveling to Rhuidean "dead." "They are pledged to Rhuidean…Rhuidean belongs to the dead…They may not speak to the living until they return…The dead do not speak to the living…We do not see them until they stand among the living once more…Begone from among the living, and do not haunt us with memories of what is lost. Speak not of what the dead see." <TSR, Cahpter 23, Beyond the Stone, p263> And Mat died when he was killed by Rhavin and brought back to life when Rand balefired Rhavin.] STILLING, GENTLING, AND BURNING OUT/WHAT'S HEALABLE? "I'm not sure that stilling can be reversed, it doesn't seem that it could be in the Age of Legends. Lanfear mentions that Asmodean stilled his mother like it was irrevocable and cruel. If it was as temporary as a shield, then I doubt it would have carried that connotation. However there seems to be a discrepency in the definitions of "burned out" and stilling. Egwene maintains that "'Burned out' was what it was called when it happened by accident; officially, stilling resulted from trial and sentence. Egwene could not see the point of it, really, it was like having two words for falling down the stairs, depending on whether you tripped or were pushed. For that, most Aes Sedai seemed to see it the same, except when teaching novices or Accepted."<TSR, Chapter 5, Questioners, p84> The Glossary would appear to back up this statement. "stilling: The act, performed by Aes Sedai, of shutting off a woman who can channel from the One Power. A woman who has been stilled can sense the True Source, but cannot touch it…Officially, stilling is the result of trial and sentence for a crime. When it happens accidentally, it is called being burned out. In practice, the word stilling is often used for both." If this is the case and "burned out" is merely another word for "stilling" only the manner of comming to the same conclusion differing, then there is yet another form of disconnection from the source. How so? In TGH, Sheriam describes yet another situation. When the Aes Sedai were first testing the Accepted ter'angreal, those that went in shielded and channeled came out her "abilities burned to nothing, unable to channel, unable even to sense the True Source." The key being the fact that this severance from the Source caused the person to be unable even to sense the True Source. Whatever the correct term for this situation is, it is evident that this is a more final degree of seperation than merely being cut off from the Source. The question that remains

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in my mind is that, should the condition of being stilled where one can still sense the True source be cureable can this greater severance also be Healed? The noteworthy facet of this other form of stilling is that it appears to involve a _ter'angreal_ and channeling. As I have pointed out before merely channeling in Eelfinn land should not cause stilling because Rand has channeled while he was inside the red stone _ter'angreal_ with no adverse effects. I propose that channeling through the strange sa'angreal might have instead been the cause of the reaction produced when Moiraine and Lanfear fell through the doorway. This would indicate that since Moiraine held the sa'angreal when she fell through the doorway and she was the one channeling through it then she was the one who may have experianced this burning out of one's ability to channel and to sense the source. Further, it is likely that she and Lanfear were seperated once inside as occured when Rand, Mat, and Moiraine were in the other _ter'angreal_ in Tear. According to the Glossary, those men who are gentled can still sense the True Source. Thus, it is likely that if stilling can be Healed, gentling can as well." <Moiraine/Carolyn Fusinato BJRK57C@prodigy.com> "Nyneave said it looked or felt like an open wound when she looked at Suian. That sounds like one of RJ's hints to me, but then again I didn't expect half of what happened in this book." Christie Benson "I agree with all those ideas. One of my pet theories has always been the Rand "Unstilling" Logian one. I thought it would happen in the first place because why else would Logian be in the story? I mean he is given no real personality other than that of a man who has been stilled. If he is not going to be cured I can't see why Jordan would have given him so much time." <Hurin/John Daugherty> "About stilling, etc…..Anyway, people who can channel are walking around with an "internal piece of charcoal", and when they channel, that charcoal ignites. Now, you can do a lot of things to that burning piece of coal, but as long as it burns, the person can channel. If a person channels *too much*, it's like dumping gasoline on the fire–the flames totally consume the charcoal until there is nothing left to burn. No charcoal, no channeling, no matter how much you try to regain the ability. This is what I consider "burning out". Now, instead of adding gasoline, suppose someone cuts the charcoal off from the air, in effect suffocating the flames. No more fire, no more channeling. But the charcoal could still burn if allowed access to the air. This is what I consider gentling or stilling. In the end the results are the same: no more fire. The difference is the means–destroy the coal, destroy the ability. This is why I think stilling & gentling are reversible, but restoring the "burn out" is not." <Machin/Gerard Filicko GSFN34A@prodigy.com>

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CHRISTIAN PARALLELS [Not to forget that Paaren Disen is symbolic for Paradise which Adam and Eve where cast out of because Eve succombed to Satan who was in the form of the Serpent, and then enticed Adam to commit the same sin of eating a fruit from the Tree of Knowledge and caused him to suffer the same fate. You'll note that Lanfear/Mierin brought evil into Paradise by drilling into the Sharom. Pretty sexist if you ask me. It could also be an allusion to the story of Pandora. <Moiraine/Carolyn BJRK57C@prodigy.com>] RANDOM NAMES [Selene=Among the Greeks Luna, the Roman goddess of the moon, was called Selene. Whereas Diana (Greek, Artemis) represented the moon's nocturnal influence on people, beasts, and plants, Luna was only the symbol of the regular appearance of the moon. She was shown driving a chariot with two white horses or riding a mule bearing a torch.<Carolyn/Moiraine> Aes Sedai="people of the hill" or "Side" from Celtish folklore<Kevin Moore/Ishamael> Rhavin=Probably from the word Ravin. Which means eager for gratification or to devour.<John/Hurin (prodigy)> Possibly from the Hindu demon Ravana who abducted Rama's wife(Morgase?) to Ceylon(Caemlyn?). <Moiraine/Carolyn and Hopper/Linda Gerding> "Asmodean- Easy one, Asmodeus. Asmodeus was either a chief devil or the devil, depending on the source you look at. Be'lal- This one is Hebrew. Name for something without use or a wicked person. Graendal- Most likely a reference to the monster Grendle found in the story of Beowulf. Grendle was more monster than demon but thats because the Norse loved monsters so much. Ishamael- Hebrew again. Means a man whose hand is raised against every man and every man's hand is against him. Also one at war with society. That fits the betrayer of hope to perfection. Rahvin- Probably from the word Ravin. Which means eager for gratification or to devour. Once again that description fits our man just right. Sammael- This was the name of Satan when he was still an Arch Angel. I know everyone says Lucifer is his name but like I said we're dealing with various sources here. Several people confirmed the Sammael=Satan connection. Semirhage- This one I was never sure of but I think this is a name for one of Satan's sub commanders. Possibly from "Paradise Lost". Also a hag or Hagge is a female demon or witch. hence Semihag would translate an almost demon like witch woman. I can't remember, was Semirhage a female? Is sothe second definition is probably right. That's all I could find or guess at but I'm sure Jordan dug up the other names from somewhere. He's very find of switching a letter here and there. Oh yeah, I looked up my Shayol Ghul thing too. Sheol is the hebrew word for grave. Ghu is a demon that devours men. So the actual translation would be "Grave of the demon that devours men"."<John/Hurin BWSF33B@prodigy.com>]

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Well, I didn't finish, sorry. I'm going on vacation. C-ya on Tuesday….Moiraine

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