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Network Working Group Abhay K. Bhushan RFC # 463 MIT-DMCG NIC # 14573 February 21, 1973

                FTP Comments and Response to RFC 430

  Most of the comments in RFC 430 by Bob Braden are useful suggestions

which should be included in the forthcoming official FTP specification. This RFC represents my response to Braden's comments and other views. These comments should be useful for the FTP meeting on March 16 at BBN (announcement warning AAM NIC #14417). The results of the FTP subgroup meeting held at BBN on January 25 will be published in RFC 4541 (are published?).

SPECIFIC RESPONSES TO RFC 430.

  Item A1 - I will let Bob Braden handle the "print file" issues (the
  "still" should be removed).

  Item A2 - I agree that concessions are undesirable and should be
  removed unless people cannot "live" without them.

  Item A3 - I strongly support "bit flag coding" for descriptors.
  Other definition improvement suggestions are ok too.

  Item A4 - The diagram was useful. An alternate one is given on page
  17 of RFC 454. I prefer the latter.

  Item A5 -  The FTP may not be privileged enough to alter passwords
  in many Host systems (e.g. Multics). I know that CCN allows changing
  passwords on-line. We can define a format for changing passwords in
  the pass command, but I don't think we can require that all servers
  allow password changing. This is a minor problem that can be easily
  solved.

  Item A6 - Yes, the comment that TYPE should be before BYTE was for
  bad implementations. The server should reject data transfer
  parameters only when the data transfer command is received. The
  order of the parameter-change commands is not important.

  Item A7 - I do agree that NCP's should be fixed.  A 255 (socket
  number) reply should be required at a specific time, and NCP's
  should be able to provide it (this also permits the proposed GSOC
  command). Let us find out at next meeting if there is anyone who
  cannot live with this new requirement.

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  Item A8 - Yes.

  Item B - There are at least two ways to solve the FTP parameter
  encoding problem presented by Bob Braden. One is to allow multiple
  letter in the TYPE command as suggested by Bob and the other is to
  have a new command such as FORM (which could be P or U). Other
  solutions are equally acceptable to me.

  Item C - Our emphasis should be on working protocol as well as
  elegance. I like the proposed GSOC command over the listen.  In fact
  GSOC can be used for all data connection security checking. The 255
  reply should be sent with GSOC only, and the server should use only
  those sockets for data connection.

  Item D - We need more discussion on the issue of site dependent FTP
  parameters. I will put it on the agenda for the forthcoming FTP
  meeting.

FURTHER COMMENTS

  1. The command-reply sequence needs to be tightened in both
  specification and implementations to allow convenient use of FTP by
  programs or "automatons".

  2. A 300 reply greeting upon first connecting to the FTP server
  should be required and not optional. This avoids the programs having
  to wait an arbitrary time for such a greeting before issuing
  commands. Commands may only be sent after the 300 reply is received
  from the server.

  3. RFC 454 needs a discussion of transfer between two FTP servers
  arranged by the user via the LSTN or GSOC commands.

  4. Perhaps we should allow specification of data transfer parameters
  in a single command line (for reasons of efficiency).  A suggested
  format is to have <SP> separate the parameters bunched together in a
  single line (requiring only a single reply).  Consider the following
  sequences:
          STRU F TYPE I BYTE 36 MODE S <CR><LF>
          reply - 200 OK

  5. Further discussion of MAIL and MAIL.file commands seems
  necessary. Perhaps we will get some useful input from the MAIL
  meeting at SRI on February 23, The following issues seem
  particularly relevant to me:
      a) Allowing mail to multiple users. It should be required that
  FTP servers allow this.

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      b) Using NIC idents. FTP servers should accept some standard
  form of user name. This could be NIC idents or last name with
  optional use of initials.
      c) Uniform conventions for who the mail is from, day, time,
  etc., and how the mail is delivered to user. The mail usually gets
  tagged twice or sometimes not tagged at all.  Perhaps we need a
  different mechanism for indicating who the mail is from than
  provided by the USER command.
      d) handling bulk or junk mail (particularly the NIC documents
  that may be sent on-line by the NIC). Perhaps mail.file should put a
  file in user's directory and notify him of the same. The user does
  not see all the junk on his console but can print the file on a
  printer and read that class of mail at his leisure.

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