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* * Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner * * A message sub run on Big Boy's BBS, Denver, CO, 303-458-3832, from 10-26-91 * * to present. Here's all the posts on this great sub from the start! If you * * want to join in, call! * *

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 3.  Sat 10-26-91 20:09  (NO KILL)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Introduction

 Hello, and welcome to Kind Bud's Corner. On this sub we'll be

discussing the most versatile, profitable, and sustainable natural resource on the planet…Hemp.

 With well over 50,000 commercial uses, conservative estimates of its'

profit potential surpass $500 Billion per year. Industry experts project a 12-fold (or greater) increase in hemp earnings, once the trade barriers are removed and this valuable cash crop is, again, allowed to compete.

 We'll examine the history of hemp, and it's many uses which include

paper(1 acre of hemp = 4.1 acres of trees for pulp), fiber (textiles), food, fuel(bio-mass), cordage, plastics, fabrication ( including fiber- board and other construction materials) medicine, and so forth…Anything petroleum does, Hemp can do better!

 We'll talk about the REAL reasons behind the hemp prohibition in 1937,

and what efforts are being made by the burgeoning H.E.M.P. Movement to put an end to this insane and inhumane law. And, We'll look at what you and I can do locally….

 I want to hear what you're thinking (whether pro/con/indifferent). And

Questions…I like Questions.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 4.  Sat 10-26-91 20:19  (NO KILL)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: "…a remarkable little book..

…is what Hugh Downs said on ABC's 20/20. He was talking about "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer. It is an excellent primer on hemp and can be picked up at The Tattered Cover bookstore for around $15…also, by calling 470-1100 from your touch-tone phone and entering extension 477, you can hear a 10 minute recording of the Hugh Downs 20/20 piece. Journalism at its' finest!

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 5.  Sun 10-27-91  8:26  (NO KILL)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: …can you hear voices?

Here's Colorado NORML's voice message directory. Use touch-tone phone and dial (303) 470-1100. When connected punch in desired ext # 111…Initial greeting 222…FAX Mailbox 123…Special Msg(AIDS sufferer addressing HEMP rally at State Capital 333…Modem Mailbox 411…Information 421…Help in Using This System 422…How To Leave a Message 423…How to Send a FAX 424…How to Receive Our FAX Newsletter 431…An Introduction to NORML 441…How to Get Involved 442…How to Join NORML-Colorado 443…Coming Events 444…Chapter Mailing Address 445…National Office Information 446…Legislative Alert Signup 447…Other Organizations 448…Recommended Reading 449…Chapter Meetings 451…Current News 452…Marijuana and Medicine 453…The HEMP Patrol 454…Colorado RoundUp 456…WECOF: Freedom Fighter Radio Network 461…Legal Information 462…Lawyer Referral 463…State Laws 464…Urine Testing 471…Hemp Information 472…Marijuana and Health 473…Fuel and Energy 474…Paper 475…Fiber 476…Food and Seed Products 477…Hugh Downs' ABC 20/20 Program on Hemp 481…General Information 491…"The Emperor Wears No Clothes" By Jack Herer 492…High Times Magazine 511…Hemp Initiative Project

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 6.  Sun 10-27-91  8:40
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Quote for the Day…

"Make the most of the Indian Hemp seed, and sow it everywhere."

                                          George Washington

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 8.  Sun 10-27-91 11:12  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 9, 130, 317.

Thanks for telling me about that meeting. Barring death I'll be there. If anybody else want to go, and you live in Aurora, and want to ride with me, let me know.

Now on to the subject…

The other day my son came home with a nice red ribbon that was insribed "Drug Free and Proud". Now on the face of this it would seem like a good thing. I would just a soon my kids don't get involved with drugs, and stay away from beer and hemp till they are at least sisteen. Sill, I got a very uneasy feeling in the pit of my gut. The cops say (and we know they NEVER lie) that they are not telling kid to turn their parents into the police. Myself, I think that is a bunch of Bull Doody. Where would a ten year old kid get the idea to turnhis parents into the state, if not from the nice officer Friendly of the D.A.R.E. program? I think I have a strong enough relationship with my kids that I don't have to worry about them turning me in. But that dosn't stop the nagging worry sitting in the back of my mind. So, how do I as a parent, sit down my ten year old, a child who should not have to worry about these things and explain to him the facts of life. The goverment's ONLY concern is it's own preservation. The cops are not really your friends. And in no case should he trust either one to tell the truth. I think that's a bit heavy for a kid his age. But now I am faced with having to counter what he is being told in school. If I let it go I am faced with the posibility of him turning me in, (reguardless of weither or not I smoke hemp) or worse yet, the system turning him into another trusting, unquestoning drone. Putting aside the compairison to "1984", a more real life compairison would be Germany in 1937. The schools there also encouraged children to turn their parents into the state.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 9.  Mon 10-28-91  6:24  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: D.A.R.E./Hitler Youth ALSO SEE: 8.

So very true. The cops don't have 'em wearing brown shirts,yet…but it doesn't mean they wouldn't like to. My kids are all in college now, but when they were younger, like yours, I had to maintain a sort of on-going "de-programming" campaign to keep them from being brainwashed….They were able to understand that their teachers weren't necessarily 'bad', just ignorant….I don't think that Colorado had any D.A.R.E. programs then. Just as an aside, the D.A.R.E. program is the brain child of L.A. Top Cop Daryl Gates, who has recieved so much good press lately.

 Colorado NORML and the Rocky Mtn Hemp Network are putting together a

program called Double-Dare where volunteer-parents are demanding equal time in schools to talk paper-fiber-fuel-food-medicine, Bill of Rights, etc….I'll be talking to them today and I'll try to get more info.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 11.  Tue 10-29-91  6:18
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Public Meeting

The Rocky Mountain Hemp Network is hosting a public seminar/discussion group on Saturday, Nov 2 from 6 pm to 8 pm at 1090 S Wadsworth, suite F. This group will continue to meet on the first Saturday of each month there-after… …also, Rocky Mountain Hemp Network is filing a class-action suit against the State of Colorado for witholding medication. Colorado is one of several states which recognize the thereaputic application of Cannabis.

 Litigants will include sufferers of Glaucoma,Cancer,AIDS,MS,MD,

epilepsy,asthma,anorexia, et al….To qualify to participate in the law- suit, one must have it in his medical records that an attempt has been made to obtain cannabis through legal channels. At the present, all re- quests from the states must go through the F.D.A. and then the D.E.A. Currently, only thirty-seven people in the U.S. have a legal prescription for the herb. Rocky Mountain Hemp has lined up nine litigants and is look- ing for more. If you know someone who qualifies, have them call Connie at 1-838-1235.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 12.  Tue 10-29-91 12:57
  From: Thanatos
    To: Kind Bud, Et Al.

Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 13, 15, 16.

I don't agree with you, Kind Bud.

I don't see all the uses that you suggest. All I see is that people want the option to smoke THC at any time and any place they wish.

Perhaps all those fabrics and fuels and such are possible, but I don't see the supporters of Hemp legalization using it for that now. Most supporters are private users of Hemp and they will not, in my option, change. Legal or not.

Let it be said that I also don't support the rights of tobacco smokers. I have learned that inhaling smoke of any kind is unhealthy and should not be advocated.

I have also heard that the users of THC are more passive that other people. That is fine for avoiding war; My concern is with the already low nation production rate in the USA. Do we really need an entire work force that is passive?

Sorry, but I won't be at any of your rallies.

*»THANATOS«*

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 13.  Thu 10-31-91 16:53  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Thanatos

Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 12.

I somewhat agree with you. I think some of the proposed uses for hemp are a bit on the optomistic side. Things such as fuel are still pretty much on the drawing board. And until hemp is legaized, they will stay there.

But many things such as food, fabric, paper, medicne, and building materials are not only proven, but they were widely used until Herst and his buddies hatched their scheme.

As far as paper.. One acre of hemp can produce as much paper as 4.3 acres of trees. That acre of hemp can be replanted and renewed every year. In some areas of the country it can be havested twice a year. That 4.3 acres of trees can only be harvested every 15 to 30 years. The only chem needed to make paper from hemp is Hyd-porxcide (however the hell you spell it). You don't even want to think abought what goes into wood paper.

Have you ever picked up a book that is 50+ years old and wondered why it's in better shape than a book printed twenty years ago? It's because the older book was printed before hemp was outlawed. The hemp paper is acid free.

As far a THC users beind docile and worthless… The most sucsessfull person I know smokes hemp. He prefers it to beer, and uses it the same way a mature person uses beer. He is anything but docile. In fact he has recived a number of awards for exelence in his field. But none of this matters, because the instand it were to become public that he smoked hemp, he would be labled a "usless, lazy, no good pervert".

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 14.  Thu 10-31-91 17:20  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Hemp in The Truth Seeker ALSO SEE: 17.

I subscribe to an unusual magazine based in San Diego called The Truth Seeker (Box 2832, San Diego, CA 92112, $20/year). In the latest issue was a good article by Howard Anshell called "Could One Plant Save the Earth". Guess what it was about Nyuk Nyuk! Yuse guys are really getting around Nyuk Nyuk! It said the original draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper, and still exists today. Anyway, I've always believed that all drugs should be decriminalized, even crack cocaine, as long as it's taxed and regulated like tobacco and alcohol. But with the purported value of the hemp plant itself being held back by the anti-drug laws, I gotta say I hope yuse guys keep working hard and fight where it counts in the Congress and the Legislatures – and win! Maybe if decriminalization starts with this one little step, everybody can see I've been right all along Nyuk Nyuk! In the same mag. was a letter to the editor advocating that the government establish "legal drug stores" which would sell seized drugs at cut rates in direct competition to the street hoodlums…what do you think about that, "Bud"? "Bud?….Bud? Are you awake? What have you been smoking?…" Nyuk Nyuk! (just joshing)

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 15.  Fri 11-01-91  6:32  (NO KILL)  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Thanatos

Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 12, 35.

You're more than welcome to disagree….however, there are NO studies which indicate that hemp-smokers are any more or less passive or lazy than any other group….and these days, the joint is not the point. Hemp can produce approx. 50,000 commercial products that are practically pollution free. According to the U.S.D.A., one acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees for the production of paper. Hemp paper is dioxine-free. Wood paper making processes release sulfer into the atmosphere. Up until the mid- 19th century, ALL our paper was made from hemp…The first two copies of the Declaration of Independence were made on hemp paper. We all know that Geo. Washington and T. Jefferson grew hemp. Benj. Franklin started the first hemp-paper mill in America. That way, we wouldn't have to justify our use of paper to England. Sailing ships in those days used from 60 to 100 tons of hemp per year. When England blockaded France, Napolean's first move was to invade Russia (which supplied England with 90% of its' hemp) in an effort to cut off England's hemp supply, thus crippling its' navy. An American could pay his taxes with hemp until 1810. In the latter 1800's paper made from wood became the vogue, because at this time it was more labor-effective than hemp. Clothing and other fibers still were made from hemp. Canvas is the Dutch word for cannabis. In the mid-1930's, something happened which got Big-Money worried. A new machine was invented which would make the pulping of hemp very labor- effective. This prompted Popular Mechanics to offer an article about hemp calling it the New Billion Dollar crop. Also, Henry Ford was so convinced that bio-mass was the ONLY way to go as far as fueling cars, he grew hemp on his estate at Iron Mountain for that purpose..As a bio-mass crop, hemp is superior to any including kenaf, corn, or sugar-cane all added in to- gether! At this time William Raldolf Hearst and Kimberly Clarke owned vast timber acreage. DuPont had just patented "nylon", the forerunner of all poisonous plastics, and Big Oil didn't like the sound of this bio- mass business. Fibers which had traditionally been made from hemp could be made with plastics. Hemp can also be made into plastics, and, according to Pop.Mech, it can be made into anything from cellophane to dynamite. Hearst, the Melons and DuPonts held a series of "secret meetings" with '30's drug czar Harry Anslinger and conspired to conduct a smear campaign against hemp in an effort to whip the public into an anti- hemp hysteria. But they did'nt call it hemp…everyone knew what hemp was. Hearst news-papers were the first to call it 'marijuana' and made up all manner of horror stories about it. Anslinger, in his testimony before Congress, said that 'marijuana' was the most violence-inducing narcotic known to man! Hearst papers told of how it was the drug of choice among "mexicans, negros, and entertainers." This campaign was nothing less than a pack of lies designed by the super-rich to rid themselves of their number one competitor…HEMP. The law is called the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act, but after that title, you'll never see the word "marijuana" used in the bill again. It refers only to hemp…after the law was passed, the medical profession wanted to know what happened to cannabis. Cannabis was one of the most useful medicines known. They were not aware that cannabis and "marijuana" were the same thing. 2.5 million people in this country have glaucoma; 10,000 of them are going to lose their vision this year…yet, only 37 people have a legal prescription for this useful herb, which is proven to HALT the advance of glaucoma. It is also known to be useful in treating epilepsy, MS, etc……more on this later…..I've run o ut of time.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 16.  Fri 11-01-91 10:30  (NO KILL)  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Thanatos

Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 12.

Part Two: Cannabis has many therapeutical applications including glaucoma, MS,MD asthma, anorexia, epilepsy, etc. The medical body of literature on the topic is vast. The government is quite aware of this, yet still classifies "marijuana" as a schedule one narcotic, meaning it has NO KNOWN medical value. This is, of course, a lie. The gov't knows it's a lie, and more importantly, the Big $$$$ who tell the gov't what to think know it is a lie. They simply do not want the competition that hemp would bring into the market place. When hemp is re-commercialized, it's not just going to save the family farm….American farmers are going to PROSPER like they never have in this century! Since you have no plans to visit one of our meetings, you are really unaware of what the hemp movement is doing as regards the commercialization of legal hemp products….these products are how the word is being spread….hemp clothing, hemp-seed oil products including food, bio-mass products, etc. I recently helped Colorado bio-scientist Agua Das set up Colorados first hemp-seed oil press and his products are being stocked on shelves all over the state. You're not going to get much of this info in the "News." I recently filmed a Hemp Rally in Madison,WI where more than 20,000 hempsters attended. Did you hear anything about it on the news back here? ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN were all aware of the event, but didn't manage to mention anything about it. Why? Forty people can act badly in front of an abortion clinic, and it's all over prime time TV. 20,000 people can petition the state for redress of grievances(i.e. re- legalization of a plant that can save the environment and producea 500 Billion Dollar a year industry) and they go completly ignored. Is it because it's not important? No. It's because people are scared. They have a reason to be scared….what's being hyped as a War On Drugs is really a war on you and me.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 17.  Fri 11-01-91 10:55  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Big Boy

Subject: Hemp in The Truth Seeker ALSO SEE: 14.

I'm with you all the way,Big Boy! Actually, I'm for freeing up any commerce or interaction between consenting adults. That means everything. The HEMP movement is such a useful tool in the over-all freedom movement because its' position is unassailable…..paper,fiber,fuel,medicine…it's all documented and cannot be disproved. The D E A quit debating hempster about two years ago….The national HEMP movement offers a $10,000 challenge to anyone who can prove their position to be wrong. For me, the picture is like this: The shit we each put up with everyday makes the McCarthy Era look like a sitcom hoot. Property routinely confiscated without due process, cops being able to do ANYTHING with impunity so long as they say they were acting in good faith, people being led like sheep to go pee in little bottles(you'd think the streets would be filled with folks screaming about that one). Folks are living in a climate of fear and paranoia….some people have been there so long, they don't even know they're scared. We're losing our freedoms and if we don't start fighting for them now, we probably won't have ANY in the coming century. And there ain't nobody around to do it for us.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 19.  Mon 11-04-91  8:10  (NO KILL)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: you may have allready won….

The following $10,000 Challenge is issued by H.E.M.P.–5632 Van Nuys Blvd, Suite 210, Van Nuys, CA 91401 TEL:(213) 392-1806…..call them and they'll verify it for you….their challenge goes like this: "Prove Us Wrong: If all fossil fuels and their derivatives (coal,oil, natural gas, synthetic fibers and petro-chemicals) as well as the deforestation of trees for paper and agriculture (e.g. Brazilian and Indonesian rainforests), are banned from use in order to save the planet, preserve the ozone layer and reverse the greenhouse effect with its global warming trend: Then there is only one known renewable natural resource able to provide ALL of the following goods and essentials such as paper and textiles, meet all the world's transportation, home, and industrial energy needs, and clean the atmosphere–all at the same time–our old stand-by that did it all before: Cannabis Hemp…Marijuana!"

                            ...

Pretty interesting challenge, huh?

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 20.  Mon 11-04-91  8:21  (NO KILL)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Therapeutic Applications ALSO SEE: 21.

Before getting lost in the many industrial/commercial uses of hemp (50 000 is a LOT), let's look at some of the therapeutic uses of cannabis. My special thanx to UCLA Pulmonary Studies, 1969-1991; UCLA asthma studies, 1969-1976; Cohen,Sidney,&Stillman,"Therapeutic Pontential of Marijuana 1976",Medical College of Georgia; University of North Carolina; National Eye Institute;and very special thanx to Dr. Donald Tashkin of UCLA… Asthma: Smoking the leaves and flowers of the hemp plant would be beneficial for 80% of asthmatics. More than 15 million Americans are affected, and the use of cannabis would add 30 to 60 million person-years in the aggregate of extended life to current asthmatics in this country alone. The use of cannabis for asthmatics goes back thousands of years in literature; American doctors in the last century wrote about it in their medical papers saying that "asthma sufferes of the world would *bless* the Indian Hemp plant all their lives." In 1991, no American receives or uses *legal* cannabis for asthma, although, according to Dr. Tashkin," Taking a single hit of (cannabis) has been known to stop a full blown asthma attack." Glaucoma: 14% Of all blindness in the U.S. is from glaucoma. Smoking the leaves and flowers of the hemp plant would benefit 90% of all 2.5 million American glaucoma victims. Cannabis is 2-3 times as effective as any current medicines for reducing ocular pressure….also, hemp use has no toxic side effects to the liver/kidneys, and no occasional sudden-death syndromes associated with the *legal* pharmaceutical glaucoma drugs. Eye doctors often advise their glaucoma patients to by illegal black-market street pot to mitigate their toxic *legal* glaucoma medicines. At the current black- market prices of $400+ per oz. this is quite a drain on their pocket book, not to mention living in fear because of their "criminal" activity. When the 1937 Marijuana Tax Stamp Act was passed, one ounce of cannabis was available from the local drugstore for one dollar (!)…in 1991, only 37 Americans have a legal prescription for cannabis. In the Spring of this year George Bush declared that no more prescriptions would be issued, because they don't want to "send the wrong message about marijuana." In 1988 the DEA's own conservative administrative law judge, Francis Young, after hearing 15 days of medical testimony, and reviewing hundreds of DEA documents declared,"Marijuana is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man." Oddly, the DEA continues to list marijuana as a Schedule One narcotic:As having no known medical use. According to NORML, High Times, and OMNI: Eli Lilly Co; Abbott Labs; Pfizer; Smith, Kline & French; and other pharmaceutical companies would lose billions of dollars annually if hemp were legal in the U.S., and even more billions in the Third World. (Some 500,000 people are poisoned each year in Third World countries by drugs, pesticides, etc that are sold to them by American companies, but which are banned for sale in the U.S.) It was because of lobbying by the pharmaceutical companies that cannabis research has been banned by the Feds since 1977 (Ford Administration.) The Reagan/ Bush/Quale boys are absolutey refusing to allow resumption of University marijuana research, and, in fact, sent out a "feeler" in the early '80's to Universities suggesting that they DESTROY all their findings from previous hemp research. Thankfully, many declined. Some of the University studies suggested that cannabis could replace 50% of Valium, Librium, Thrazine(and other 'zine drugs. (According to the U.S. Center for Disease Control in Atlanta 20% - 40% of "-zine" drug users have or will develop permanent lifetime palsies (shakes).)

 In all of this, it's interesting to note that when George Bush left

the CIA in 1977, he was appointed director of Eli Lilly by none other than Dan Quayle's father. Odd, that.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 21.  Mon 11-04-91 10:04  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Therapeutic Applications ALSO SEE: 20, 22, 25.

I was wondering if hemp flowers could be used in beer making, as a preservative, an aromatic, and flavoring, like hop flowers are? Nyuk Nyuk!

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 22.  Mon 11-04-91 17:15  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Big Boy

Subject: Beer ALSO SEE: 21, 24.

I talked to a guy in the HEMP club at school who said he had made pot-beer. I can try find out from him how to make it if ya want.

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Msg No: 23.  Mon 11-04-91 17:19  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Wee-Willy ALSO SEE: 26.

I don't know how documented it is, but I have found the herb to be an excellent blood presure medicne. Unlike the stuff the dr. gave me, it dosen't cause hair to grow in weird places, and it don't make my willy fall over limp.

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 24.  Mon 11-04-91 22:56  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: The Foad

Subject: Beer ALSO SEE: 22, 28.

Do it! Post the recipe!

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Msg No: 25.  Tue 11-05-91  9:18  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Big Boy

Subject: This Bud's for you…. ALSO SEE: 21.

actually, yes they can….the flowers(buds) can be added during the initial brew or with the woert(sp)

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Msg No: 26.  Tue 11-05-91  9:22  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Wee-Willy ALSO SEE: 23, 29.

Yes, it lowers blood pressure, and opens up the arteries, as well as reducing stress, our #1 Killer…and, according to UCLA eating the raw seeds cuts down cholesterol dramatically.(more so than any other plant)

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Msg No: 27.  Tue 11-05-91 17:43
  From: The Foad
    To: All

Subject: The American dream ALSO SEE: 30, 34.

Farmer Donald Clark of Florada was growing hemp in his corn field. So were many of his neibors. Donald got them all together to form a Hemp Co-Op. Yesterday, Donald recived a life sentence (without posibility of parole). What tipped of the DEA? Donald and his neibors were able to make thier farm payments.

Boy Howdy, I sure do feel safer with Donald behind bars. How bought you?

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 28.  Tue 11-05-91 17:48  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Big Boy

Subject: Beer ALSO SEE: 24.

I will probaly see him again monday. I'll try to get it then. He said that you can use the leagal stuff, but it's pretty expencive, and God only knows what they used to rice out the THC. Best to just get it from your regular supplier.

It sure would make one hell of an entry at a beef contest.

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Msg No: 29.  Tue 11-05-91 17:51  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Wee-Willy ALSO SEE: 26.

Actualy, the hair groth wasn't all bad. My bald spot is gone. It's the damm tree trunks growing out of my ears. The Doctor said it could be the BP drug that was making me look like big foot. I quit taking it and quit going to him.

P.S. Missed you last Saturday.

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Msg No: 30.  Wed 11-06-91  7:23  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: American Dream(on Elm St.) ALSO SEE: 27.

Yes, we can all sleep a little easier, now, with Donald and his ilk behind bars. Imagine the noive of the guy….actually making his farm payments! I've said it before, and I'll say it again: THe crap that's going on around us everyday makes the McCarthy Era look mild by comparison.

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Msg No: 31.  Wed 11-06-91  7:31
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Quote for the day…

"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes…A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."

                                        Abraham Lincoln

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Msg No: 32.  Wed 11-06-91  7:35
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: More Medical stuff…

According to Dr. Thomas Ungerleider, head of California's Marijuana for Cancer Research Project from 1979-1984:"Marijuana is the best agent for control of nausea in cancer chemotherapy." The same is being found by those who are undergoing ADZ therapy for AIDS. One AIDS patient said it best,"Marijuana makes the difference between LIVING with AIDS and DYING of AIDS." Still, only 37 Americans have a *legal* prescription for a plant which grows wild. In effect, the government is saying to these people,"F*ck you. It's better that you go blind, better that you die in agony, wrapped around a toilet everyday, than for us to change a law which was based on a Big Lie, anyway." Marijuana is also proven to help 60%-80% of those who suffer from epilepsy, MS,MD, and other tremor-related diseases(like Parkinsons). In 1975 the D E A and the Nat'l Health Instute directed the Medical College of Virginia to conduct studies on the smoking of the herb in hopes of finding possible immunicological problems associated with marijuana. Instead, researchers were surprised to find that the herb was incredibly successful in reducing many malignant and benign tumors! A dissapointed D E A then issued orders to CEASE all further cannabis/tumor research and reporting. Hemp plants also provide extractions called cannabidiolic acids. These acids are a natual antibiotic that can be used to treat a variety of ailments(indluding gonorrhea, etc). According to Czechoslovakian Studies, any disease or infection that can be treated with terramycin, cannabis derivatives will do better. Thankfully, the Czechs still publish farm crop reports on strategies to grow Cannabidiol-rich hemp. The medicinal uses of this natural herb go on and on(arthritis,rheumatism, blood pressure,emphysema,migraines, stress, anorexia, etc.) We have been robbed of fifty years worth of real medical research, as well as research&developement as regards paper,bio-mass fuel, textiles,plastics, food, and on and on and on…. This is OUR plant, and it's time we take it back!

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Msg No: 34.  Wed 11-06-91  9:40  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: The Foad

Subject: The American dream ALSO SEE: 27.

With such insane laws and penalties for violation thereof, on the books, I hope none of yuse guys try to become a hero and break them just because you don't like them. The action is in getting them repealed, lobbying the lawmakers, and getting them off the books.

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Msg No: 35.  Wed 11-06-91 11:46  (RECV'D)
  From: Thanatos
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 15, 37, 39.

KB,

I do remember studies that showed THC affected short term memory in an adverse way. This equates, to me, a lower function level.

As far as the media's bias, I have seen reports of the Hemp movement. I believe I watched NBC report on a rally in California, and I think the wire services also carry the reports. There was an article in Time not too long ago and I believe the Rocky Mountain News covered it too.

I just don't want to see another mind altering drug legalized in the USA. We have enough of a problem with alcohol and Nicotine. I work in a Halfway House and I see the result of misuse. We have men and women who did nothing more that misuse alcohol, and not they are doing time for killing someone. Without the drug use, they would have been in control of their vehicle and lives would have been saved. Why give more people more opprotunity to use and misuse more drugs??

*»THANATOS«*

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Msg No: 37.  Wed 11-06-91 20:18  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Thanatos

Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 35.

Well, Dead Guy (nyuk nyuk), if you were for prohibition of alcohol and tobacco in the first place, why didn't you say so? Despite all your "horror stories", the horror of Prohibition and the terrible black market that forked society over, was much much worse. So, the arguments for prohibition of drugs seem, to me, to be intellectually discreditable, even for a slob like me Nyuk Nyuk! Still, taking drugs is for losers, legal or not, so have a malted milk and some popcorn, and when you get over 300 lbs. you can chance a Colt 45 or two and still not raise your b.a.l. too much percentagewise Nyuk Nyuk!

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Msg No: 38.  Wed 11-06-91 22:29  (RECV'D)
  From: Digital Dave
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Fat Chance! ALSO SEE: 42.

Dear Mr. Bud:

      May I call you Kind?  I should like to respectfully disagree with

everything you've said thus far. And just because you can back up your points with documented fact doesn't mean that I'm going to alter my opinions one iota. Likewise, just because the biased government-sponsored studies have been exposed as so much horse hocky doesn't mean I won't continue to believe them. My mind is quite firmly made up, and regardless of how many lives might be saved, or what benefit hemp would be to the environment, I, like Comatose Thanatos, will not be found at any of your rallies.

      But seriously, folks, I'm glad to see this topic being explored

intelligently. And, while I would welcome hemp's legalization, it would seem to be an extreme long shot. Do you really think they're going to repeal the marijuana laws in our lifetime?

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Msg No: 39.  Thu 11-07-91  6:48  (NO KILL)  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Thanatos

Subject: …umm, let me….uh….I….. ALSO SEE: 35, 40, 231.

..uhhh…errr…what was I going to?….OH! Yeah, right….like,uh.. Short Term Memory ….uh….Loss, Yeah…Right…OK!… I believe you are referring to conclusions drawn from the Heath/Tulane University studies in 1974. The short-term memory loss allegations stem from those studies, and a lot of other erroneous bullsh*t as well… The Official Version goes like this: An impartial Dr. Heath concluded that Rhesus monkeys, smoking the equivalent of "only" 30 joints a day began to atrophy and die after 90 days. He then opened the brains and counted the brain cells; next, he took control monkeys who hadn't smoked, killed them, and counted their brain cells. The pot smoking monkeys had enormous amounts of dead brain cells as compared to the "straight" monkeys. This prompted Reagan to say"The *most reliable scientific* sources say permanent brain damage is one of the inevitable results of the use of marijuana!"…..Now, as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story:

 It took Playboy Press/NORML six years of suing under the Freedom of

Information Act to finally get an accurate accounting of the research proceedures used in the experiment: The monkeys were strapped into chairs and then strapped into gas-masks and given the equivalent of 63 Columbian strength joints in five minutes thru the gas-masks, with no smoke escaping. In other words, they were suffocating. Carbon Monoxide (given off by any burning object) is a deadly gas that kills brain cells. The Heath/Tulane report is a study in animal asphyxiation, carbon monoxide poisoning, and human cruelty. You could achieve the same results if you locked yourself in your garage and ran your car for 15 minutes every day. I can only speak from personal experience…When I returned from my four-year, government sponsored, all-expense paid vacation in Southeast Asia in the early '70's, I was quite familiar with the herb. I enjoyed it just about every day. I returned to college and finished with a straight-A average, and didn't find it much of a challenge at all. This, while working full time and supporting a family. I now own my own business, have three kid in college, and am still married to the same woman I started out with. I don't think this indicates brain damage….(well, except the part about being married.) When my personal experience flows contrary to Consensus Reality, I'll stick with my personal experience, thankyou. Any caring adult is going to feel badly about the tragedy you have to deal with every day, but the fact is, those poor souls each made an error in judgement. And, to be blunt, if they had stayed at home and smoked a joint, instead of going out and driving like drunk maniacs, lives would have been saved and they wouldn't be in a half-way house. Fact is, the hysteria that passes for a drug policy has f*cked up more people than all the half-way house denizens put together. the United States has a larger percentage of its' citizens in prison than ANY other country in the world. #2 is South Africa. Do you think that means the U.S. has a higher percentage of Bad Guys than any other country? I don't think so, yet Bush wants to build more and more prisons. As far as the media is concerned….the press can't completely ignore what is becoming the biggest movement of the decade. I didn't say that. I just find it odd that they ignored the Madison rally where 20,000 people protested the insane drug laws. We have to remember, Than, that many of the largest publishers have direct holdings in timberland for paper, and the pharmaceutical drug, petrochemical companies, etc. are among the media's major advertisers. It's the Golden Rule: whoever has the Gold makes the Rules. Hemp for paper/bio-mass fuel has been rather successful in Europe for several years, now. (Funny that Kimberly Clarke is so involved there, since they were behind hemp prohibition in this country in the '30's.) It may comfort you to know, Thanny, that the particular strains of hemp being grown there make for lousy smoking. Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp recently sent a delegation over there to study the farming methods, pulping proceedures, etc. A couple of their less intrepid delegates bravely volunteered to sample some of the flowers/leaves. The only result they reported was "a mild, but annoying head-ache." It's not a matter of IF hemp will be re-legalized, but when, and which state will be the first. A 500 Billion dollar a year industry cannot be ignored, especially with the state of our economy. The current illicit revenues from hemp (black-market) are about 45-60 Billion annually. This is ridiculous because 1. Our farmers are not getting any of this cash, and 2. The leaves and flowers are …The…Least…Valuable…Part…Of…this…Plant! [Reality Captioned For The Doublespeak Impaired]

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Msg No: 40.  Thu 11-07-91  8:17  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: …umm, let me….uh….I….. ALSO SEE: 39, 41.

A dumb question perhaps, but if the hemp industry is worth 500 billion dollars a year potentially, where's all the big money fatcats supporting it politically so they can buy up the new industry and get richer? That the tree industry has its fatcats too doesn't explain it.

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Msg No: 41.  Sun 11-10-91  8:09  (NO KILL)  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Big Boy

Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 40, 43.

In addition to the tree-industry folks, there's also the petrochemical giants, pharmaceutical companies and textile folks all of whom like things just the way they are… Yesterday I talked with John Birenbach of the Instute for Hemp in St.Paul. He told me that Kimberly Clark is involved in the hemp industry in France, but it took him a month of phone calls to Kimberly Clark before he found a company spokesperson who was even aware of it….(they're doing it thru a subsidiary with a different name.) We're also dealing with 50 years of public brainwashing….we've been told over and over that hemp(marijuana) is very,very evil….It's going to take a complete re-education of the public before any major company is going to come out as publically in favor of re-legalization. Although this information has been around in bits and pieces for quite some time, it's just recently that it's been put together in a complete package….the concept is new. The Wall St. Journal ran a front page story on hemp in May…"What Is as Versatile as the Soybean But Illegal Anyway?" In June Pulp & Paper magazine's tech- nical editor wrote an article:"It's Time to Reconsider Hemp." Both these articles are a major step forward for hemp…it's a battle for peoples' minds and it's going to take a while….but it seems like everywhere you turn, hemp information is popping up! Right now it's a grass-roots(nyuk?) effort. Last year there were about 3-4 suppliers of legal hemp products in the U S and now there's over 20. The Institute for Hemp has obtained the necessary permits from the Minnesota Dept. of Agriculture to grow 100 acres of hemp in 1992. Rocky Mtn Hemp is opening a Hempwear, etc store in a mall at 1090 S. Wadsworth. Willie Nelson has started his own line of Hemp Clothing and has plans to preach hemp at his next Farm-Aid concert this month. I think we're at the begining of something very big, and quite inevitable.

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Msg No: 42.  Sun 11-10-91  8:34  (NO KILL)  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Digital Dave

Subject: Fat Chance! ALSO SEE: 38, 44.

I don't think "THEY" are ready to legalize it, yet. But then, THEY don't have to. WE can legalize it OURSELVES. How? Colorado, like about 25 other states, has a Citizens Initiative Process. This means that Colorado citizens have equal power with thier legislators to enact laws…and,because our population is so small, we only need 50,000 valid signatures of registered voters by August '92 to get it on the November ballot. A Newscenter-4 poll about a month ago showed that 55% of Coloradoans are in favor of re-legalization of hemp right now….and that's without knowing about paper-fiber-fuel-food- non-toxic paints & varnish-medicine. etc! It's up to us to get the word out…it's not going to be easy, but, at least for now, we've got a better shot than any other state. California is going to run a hemp-initiative in '92 also, but they've got to get almost 400,000 signatures (meaning more that 700,000 just to get a "good" 400,000…..quite a chore….we've got to get 75,000 sigs to get a 'good' 50,000. I think we can get that done, and once we do, the entire nation is going to be watching us in November to see what we do.

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Msg No: 43.  Sun 11-10-91  9:18  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 41, 45, 51.

I don't mean to play the devil's advocate, Bud, but I still can't understand how you can claim there's a $500 BILLION industry being held back by anybody. $5 Billion maybe, not $500 Billion. There's plenty of money out there just looking for something to invest in, and greed alone would make hemp legalization impossible to stop if there were that big an economic boom at the end waiting. So, either you overestimate the potential size of the industry, or you haven't explained what's holding it back well enough. Heck, IBM Corp. only brings in $50 Billion a year Nyuk Nyuk! As for the paper and petrochemical dudes, how big are their industries now? $500 Billion is enough to make them want to SWITCH Nyuk Nyuk!

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Msg No: 44.  Sun 11-10-91 12:17  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Hemp init. ALSO SEE: 42, 47.

I want to throw out some questions on the hemp Initiative.

1. Who gets to set up the wordingon the actual ballot. We all no how the summery on the ballot can be misleading. So is there any chance of it being worded "should it be legal for dope heads to smoke pot and kill our dogs?" or something to that effect?

2. What abought the people in prison for hemp related political crimes? Will they be released?

3. Will money and property taken by the government under RICO beacuse the rightful owner had a three year old copy of "High Times" have to be returned.

4. What abought the federal laws? Will the feds still be able to throw people in jail?

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Msg No: 45.  Sun 11-10-91 12:27  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Big Boy

Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 43, 46.

Easy. Hemp is alot like solar power. It is very difficult to controld from a central location. This makes it hard for the giant multi-nationals to sell it. Why would a glocoma (prob spelled wrong) sufferer want to pay $15-$20 a day for something that they could grow in their back yard? How is giant tree farmer going to sell his product when hemp is more easily grown on a small scale?

The bottom line is that 500 billion a year won't be made by the giant corporations, but by the little farmer who gets back on his feet, the sick people who save money on their medicine, in general the little guy. So it is easy to see why the fat-cats are fighting it tooth and nail.

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Msg No: 46.  Sun 11-10-91 19:03  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: The Foad

Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 45, 50.

Yes, I see it now that you've accounted for every one of the FIVE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN PROFITS that Kind Bud talked about in msg #2 Nyuk Nyuk! Let's see, since there's a quarter billion Americans, that's only TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS a year in profits that the Hemp Industry could make that it now isn't, from EVERY AMERICAN IN THE U.S. EACH YEAR. Such a piddling profit potential would be no problem for the paper & petrochemical industries to squelch, without themselves wanting to capture that industry for themselves on the side Nyuk Nyuk! It's SOOOO clear Nyuk Nyuk!

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Msg No: 47.  Mon 11-11-91  7:19  (NO KILL)  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Hemp init. ALSO SEE: 44.

I'll check on the wording of the ballot initiative today. The long version will go something like this… An Act To Amend The Health and Safety Code of Colorado I. Add Section # to the Health and Safety Code of Colorado any laws or policies to the contrary not withstanding:

 (1) Persons, 18 years or older, shall not be prosecuted, be denied any
 right or privilege, nor be subject to criminal or civil penalties for
 the cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of:
    (a) Industrial hemp products.  Hemp farmers and manufacturers of
    industrial hemp products shall not be subject to any special zoning
    or licensing fees that are discriminatory or prohibitive.
    (b) Hemp medicinal preparations.
    (c) Hemp products for nutritional use.
    (d) Hemp products for personal use.  No permit or license may be
    required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation,
    distribution, or consumption of any hemp product.

There are then 10 paragraphs and sub paragraphs dealing with definitions and taxation methods. One deals with retroactive amnesties and clearing of criminal records…..then it goes on: IV. No Colorado law enforcement personnel or funds shall be used to

   assist enforcement of federal cannabis/marijuana laws governing 
   cannabis/marijuana related acts which are no longer illegal in the
   state of Colorado.
V. The legislature, the Govenor, and the Attorney General are directed
   to challenge federal cannabis/marijuana prohibitions which conflict
   with this act.

VIII.Within 120 days following the passage of this act the legislature

   shall fund, from law enforcement savings hereby generated, an
   advisory panel to study the feasibility and methods of making

restitution to all persons who were imprisoned, fined or had private properties forfeited as a result of criminal or civil actions for cannabis/marijuana related acts which are hereby no longer illegal. … It then goes on to explain how the monies for restitution are to be obtained from new tax revenues on hemp, etc.

This will only be a state law, and will not stop the feds...federal

law will have to be changed, also. But it's a giant step forward.

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Msg No: 48.  Mon 11-11-91  9:56
  From: Big Boy
    To: All

Subject: Great Idea Nyuk Nyuk!

                 HAPT (Hazardous Pursuit Terminator)

A police officer is beginning to chase a suspect though a populated neighborhood. The officer noticed the suspect speeding, ran a check on the license number and found that the driver was wanted as a fugitive in a bank robbery. After the officer turns on the flashers, the suspect speeds up to 70 mph in a 25 mph zone! There are people around and someone could get killed. The officer makes a decision that it's time to turn on HAPT. She opens a console on the dash board and pushes a button, then moves the joystick inside the console so that a red dot touches the back of the vehicle she is chasing. She pushes the button again and a voice from the box says; "Fire control system locked on target". Suddenly, all four tires of the suspect's car are shot from beneath it, almost simultaneously! She screeches to a stop and jumps from the car, shotgun in hand. The suspect is stunned and easily captured. Science Fiction, or Science Fact? This system can be developed for police departments all over the country, and save many innocent lives each year, lost because of hazardous pursuits. Funding is needed to develop the HAPT device. Write your representatives now!

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Msg No: 49.  Mon 11-11-91  9:57
  From: Big Boy
    To: All

Subject: Hemp Files on De Board

I now have 2 hemp-related downloadable files on the board:

 HEMP.LZH  - a motley collection of files I got from World Peace BBS
             They are not in plain ASCII format, they seem to be from a
             word processor, you tell me which.
 NORML.ZIP - "How A Single Plant Could Save the Earth" -- reprint of am
             article on Hemp and NORML, giving addresses.

I sure wish you would start preparing some extensive text article or portfolio on the subject with LOCAL contact info./addresses, Bud, so I can make it into a Zip file and put it on the board. That way, you multiply your time by letting the file spread on its own momentum across BOARDWORLD, so to speak. Of course, if there's any hemp critics out there, I invite you to do likewise, you're all welcome. I still can't figure out where they got the $500 Billion dollar figure from, it makes them sound like CRACKPOTS Nyuk Nyuk! (get it, crackPOTS!). Why not $338 Billion for example?

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Msg No: 50.  Mon 11-11-91 16:25  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Big Boy

Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 46.

We're not talking abought 500 billion new dollars comming in. Alot of it will come from a shift in sources. That is to say, themp industry will generate 500 billion, but the timber, oil, pharmi.. companys will lose at least 250 billion. Me personaly, I don't like to use that figure because, to me anyway, it seems a bit confusing. Mayve Kind Bud could explain it better.

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Msg No: 51.  Mon 11-11-91 17:56  (NO KILL)  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Big Boy

Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 43.

Greed (in the *best* sense of the word) IS making hemp re-legalization impossible to stop. It's re-legalization is inevitable because of the profit-potential. There's no shortage of investors waiting in the wings. The problem is that it's ILLEGAL now. When it's re-legalized, then we'll also see the more famous big-money people jumping on the band wagon and probably pretending it was their idea. Kimberly-Clark is active in hemp production in Europe. Levi's Corp is looking at hemp for their jeans, which used to be made from hemp. The Big Oil and Pharmaceutical Guys are going to protect their investments and infrastructure as long as they can. They already are aware of the threat hemp poses to them and will continue to fight against it. Hemp will do nothing for Oil and Pharmaceuticals except eat into their market share. For other companies which aren't into Oil and Pharmaceuticals, being in the forefront of this movement is not attractive because it is anathama in the eye of the public. The public has to be made aware of the truth about hemps' usefulness before it is acceptable. The hemp movement is about education…it is old information put into a new integrated awareness. A hemp economy will resemble Toffler's third wave of a decentralized global community. The $500 billion figure is an estimate from the Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp's studies into the use of hemp for 50,000 existing commercial products. I don't find the figure to be offensive, but if it bothers you, then substitute a figure you're more comfortable with. It won't change the importance of the hemp info one bit.

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Msg No: 53.  Tue 11-12-91 14:57  (NO KILL)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Local Hemp Organizations

Here's a list of local contacts in the Hemp Movement you can contact for more information, or to get involved, or to rag on if you disagree…. . Hemp Initiative Project Jon Baraga 1015 S. Gaylord # 181 Denver, Co 80209 (303) 470-1100 ext 511 They need petitioners for the 1992 Hemp Initiative. . No More Drug War Foundation P.O. Box 18780 Denver, Co 80218 . Rocky Mountain Hemp Network Connie Barr-Rowe P.O. Box 150804 Lakewood, CO 80215 (303) 239-6410 or 470-1100 ext 611 (leave msg) General Hemp Info, Coalition of people with illnesses requiring hemp for medicine. Lots of legal hemp products such as clothing, nutritional hemp products, etc. . NORML-Colorado 137 W. County Line Road #500 Littleton, Co 80215 (303) 470-1100 Hemp information, lawyer referal, lots of other info. . Sustainable Futures Auga Das, director (303) 470-1100 ext 711 Your one stop shop for hemp-seed oil, hemp-seed cake, instructional hemp videos. . Auraria Hemp Club Student Union Building Room 230-C, Meets every monday 3:30-5:00 PM Headed up by a knowledgable herbalist, lots of good info and videos. . Hemp Educational Media Productions Rt. 7, Box 373 Golden, Co 80403 Hemp videos, information, general rabble-rousing.

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Msg No: 55.  Tue 11-12-91 15:22  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Ballot Wording….

The final wording will be determined by the Ballot Access Committee appointed by the Secretary of State. I imagine it will be quite a battle to get them to word it fairly…."Should reefer-crazed ruffians be allowed to touch your children?"…etc.

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Msg No: 56.  Tue 11-12-91 15:35
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Quote for the day…

"The Greatest service which can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture."

                               Thomas Jefferson

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Msg No: 58.  Wed 11-13-91  7:09  (NO KILL)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: What's a FIJA?

FIJA stands for the Fully Informed Jury Alliance. This is a national organization started by a couple of freedom minded patriots in Montana, of all places. It's purpose is, ostensibly, to get laws passed in each state requiring judges to inform juries of their right to practice what is known as "Jury Nullification." I say 'ostensibly' because I think their real purpose is to educate the public of the fact that we all have the right to nullify law when we sit on a jury. Jury nullification means that when you sit on a jury, you're not only judging the guilt or innocence of the accused, you're also judging the law which the accused is charged with breaking. If you think the law is a bad one, or if you think that it is a good law being misapplied, then you have the right (and obligation) to vote for an acquital regardless of the facts of the case (even if the accused was caught "red-handed"). The right of jury-nullification goes back to the days of the Magna-Carta and has been traditionally practiced in this country. It is the ultimate of our checks and balances to keep an oppressive gov't from passing laws of which we disapprove. In American case law (Georgia v. Brailsford 1794) the concept was codified by Chief Justice John Jay. So how come we haven't heard about it lately? Because in 1964 (in a case involving draft-card burning as protest to the Viet Nam war) the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that jurors were no longer to be informed of this right by any officer of the court(including both prosecuting and defense attorneys.) We still have the right of nullification….it's just that the court doesn't have to tell us about it during the course of a trial, anymore. So what? So this. If called to be a juror, you won't have to send anyone to jail for violating hemp laws! (or any other law with which you disagree.) All it takes is one juror to hang a jury. In fact, during the last four yeats of alcohol prohibition, half of all such trials ended in acquitals or hung juries due to juries excercising their right of jury nullification. This helped bring alcohol prohibition to a grinding halt. We must send the same signal about hemp-prohibition. Refuse to send your bro's and sis's to jail! Right now, in Kentucky (traditionally a hemp- growing state) somewhere between one-third to one-half of hemp cultivation cases being brought to trial do not end in convictions because of jury nullification!

 We may be in a police-state now, with the Bill of Rights being

destroyed through Drug-War hysteria, but we still have enough of the tools of freedom left to fight back and win this thing. And we have to win. The quality of life for us and our kids depends on our victory.

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Msg No: 59.  Wed 11-13-91  7:45
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: More on FIJA

I want to make it clear that when a jury nullifies a law, that law is not wiped off the books….it is nullified only in the particular case on trial. Also, often these days, a judge will charge a jury to judge only the facts of a case. I think some judges do this from ignorance of the jury-nullification concept. I think most judges, however, are just plain lying.

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Msg No: 61.  Wed 11-13-91 15:05
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Quote for the Day… ALSO SEE: 62.

"The casual user, if there is such a thing as a casual user, ought to be taken out and shot, because he or she has no reason to use drugs."

                              Daryl F. Gates L.A. Chief of Police(Ret.)
                              & Father of the D.A.R.E Pogrom

    unanswerable logic.

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Msg No: 62.  Wed 11-13-91 17:47  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Quote for the Day… ALSO SEE: 61.

It has perfect logic. If you are doing bad or un-healthy things to your body, we will help you stop by killing you. That way you will never do anything bad to your body again.

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Msg No: 63.  Thu 11-14-91  6:48  (NO KILL)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: clear as mud ALSO SEE: 65.

Oh!…..I get it. I've been puzzling about why some folks have a hard time with the potential high-buck projections (such as the $500 billion I mentioned a few msgs back) concerning hemp. Big Boy isn't the only one with a "?" over his head. I assume no one will object if I try to clear this up…. If the Hemp-fairy waved its wand tonight and hemp was completely legal tomorrow for all its applications, we would not have an instant "new" $500 billion to play with. This high figure is based on the Replacement of an entire fossil-fuel industry, the *replacement* of and industry based on wood-for-paper, the replacement of most wood for construction, the replacement of about 50% of the pharmaceuticals presently on the market, the replacement of cotton, plastic, toxic paints and varnishes, and on and on. It would mean the replacement of the synthetic with the natural, and the replacement of our present way of thinking. It would call for, what amounts to, a Hemp-based economy. Unrealistic? It all depends on your point of view. My point of view is: It's unrealistic to continue depending on fossil-fuels when industry studies project that 80% of our oil reserves will be used up by the turn of the century; it's unrealistic to continue the planned de-forestation of the planet and all that ensues. I think it's unrealistic to continue to crank out non-biodegradable plastics and other poisons. Unrealistic to expect farmers to suffer and atrophy on $150-$200 per acre crops, when hemp could bring them $400- $600 per acre today. Unrealistic to have an economy based on anything other than sustainable-renewable-agricultural products. Look at the box that holds your CRT, your CPU, and look at your keyboard….everything you see there(except the CRT) could be made with Hemp grown by an American farmer! We have to change the way we think in order to survive. And I'm no gloomy doomsayer….We will survive.

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Msg No: 64.  Thu 11-14-91  7:26
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Quote for the day…

"It's the only newspaper with the courage to tell the truth:Everything's OK."

        Homer Simpson talking about USA TODAY.

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Msg No: 65.  Thu 11-14-91  7:47  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: clear as mud ALSO SEE: 63, 66, 68.

So, Kind Bud, you're saying that the hemp industry will supersede current industries, not add an extra $500B/year to the GNP. Plausible, but I'm still skeptical, because there's plenty of other nations on the globe that don't have any trees or oil, and if all they had to do was grow hemp to make themselves economically self-sufficient, what's holding them back? They sure grow a lot of hemp for personal "pleasure" Nyuk Nyuk! Is all of the $500B/year a replacement figure, or is there some new GNP to be generated from unique products, and if so, what is that figure?

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Msg No: 66.  Thu 11-14-91 17:25  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Big Boy

Subject: clear as mud ALSO SEE: 65.

We (as in the good ol' USA) are holding them back. We don't let anybody grow it, if they do, we cut off their aid, and send in the CIA to overthrow their government.

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Msg No: 67.  Fri 11-15-91  3:11  (RECV'D)
  From: Digital Dave
    To: Big Boy

Subject: Broken Record

Why are you so hung up on this $500 billion dollar nyuk nyuk? With all the evil nyuk nyuks that threaten to destroy our planet and its people, and all the beneficial nyuks nyuks of hemp, $500 billion nyuk nyuks more or less are just that. Who gives a flying nyuk? Are we missing the big picture here?

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Msg No: 68.  Fri 11-15-91  7:39  (NO KILL)  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Big Boy

Subject: some does, some doesn't ALSO SEE: 65, 69.

The Foad speaks well. Many countries are currently bound by U.N. Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of March 30,1961-International Treaty on 'Marijuana' Production & Law. This was pushed through the U.N. by the U.S. and maintains the fiction that 'Marijuana' is a Schedule One Narcotic, meaning it has NO KNOWN medicinal value. Since that time the U.S. has "paid" many third world countries to abide by this treaty and criminalize the commercial production of hemp. Singapore used to produce extremely fine hemp-cloth, but at the behest of our govt made its' cultivation a capital offense in 1971. But it would be a mistake to think that other countries are not jumping on the hemp bandwagon. Italy, France, Spain, Denmark, Holland, and China are currently producing hemp for paper, bio- mass and textiles. Kimberly Clark is involved in France's hemp-pulp industry. The industry is new(at least in Europe) but it must be making sense to somebody. Last April, Russia sent an agricultural delegation to Minnesota to meet with John Birenbach of the institute for hemp. Their purpose was to re-learn hemp cultivation and processing proceedures. I say "re-learn" because Russia was a leading producer of hemp back in the 19th century. Russia is getting back into hemp production and they are dead-nuts serious. As to the $500B/yr, no it is not all a replacement figure. There would be immediate increase in GNP with the introduction of hemp cultivation/ production and serveral thousand new jobs. As to the exact amount, I do not have that info….but I know who might:

 Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp (B.A.C.H.)
 (213) 288-4152 LA, Ask for Chris
 (209) 277-1319 Fresno, Ca ask for Chuck
 (619) 274-0034 San Diego,  ask for John
 (415) 826-0787 San Fran.  ask for Peter
 (916) 444-0718 Sacramento ask for Matthew
 (404) 928-0827 Atlant, GA ask for Kathy
 (404) 739-1870 Atlanta,GA ...James
 (808) 969-9712 Hilo, HI ...Roger
 (515) 243-7351 Des Moines...Carl
 (502) 895-7757 Louisville, KY...Randy
 (504) 899-8417 New Orleans...Gary

This list just scratches the surface of the BACH representatives in the U.S. and Canada…..one of these folks ought to be able to answer your questions regarding hemponomics. If not, let me know and I'll continue down the list 'till we find someone who can. My phone bill has quadrupled since getting involved in this thing and don't plan on making any more calls for the rest of the month…if your in a hurry, give one of these folks a call….Also try John Birenbach of the Inst. for Hemp in St. Paul (612) 222-2628….a very friendly fellow and knowledgeable.

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Msg No: 69.  Fri 11-15-91  8:28  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: some does, some doesn't ALSO SEE: 68, 72.

Well, you sidestepped the issue, so if you want to substantiate your OWN allegations better, that's your DUTY, according to my high school debating team coach Nyuk Nyuk! I'm not trying to destroy your credibility, Bud, I just don't like unsubstantiated allegations that, if I repeated them, might make me look like a kook. I'll bet you've never run a company that has revenues of $500 thousand, so $500 billion is such a big number to casually toss out, a human mind can almost not even conceive what it truly means. So pardon me, but it needs a lot of substantiation, a whole lot of it. Of course, I don't even care personally Nyuk Nyuk! But I'm sure you want converts, and they might, so how 'bout plugging up the holes before the really big critics move in and reduce you to the size of a peanut Nyuk Nyuk! (Such as my mother-in-law Nyuk Nyuk!) BTW, did David Duke tell you that if all the "inferior races" were exterminated and made into fertilizer, it would bring in SIX HUNDRED billion dollars? Nyuk Nyuk! And at the rate they breed, the "resource" would be annually "renewable" Nyuk Nyuk!

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Msg No: 70.  Fri 11-15-91 16:58
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: GRAND OPENING! GRAND OPENING!

November 30—A new store selling hemp products exclusively. HEMPwear, etc. 1090 S. Wadsworth, Unit D Grand Opening Giveaways! Bring the kids! … Also, Alfalfa's market is now carrying Das's Hemp Seed Oil. … I have no idea how this will impact the GNP.

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Msg No: 71.  Fri 11-15-91 17:07
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Fastest growing club on campus

The Auraria Hemp Club is growing by leaps and bounds….80 members and moving forward….they have regular meetings on mondays at the Student Union building from 3:30 - 5:30 with a public information table in operation on mondays from 10:00 am - 3:15: lots of good info and videos to view….some of them are mine, so go buy one.

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Msg No: 72.  Fri 11-15-91 17:15  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Big Boy

Subject: some does, some doesn't ALSO SEE: 69.

I've no less credibility than anyone else quoting economic predictions. When the Hemp Initiative petition hits the Sec. of States office, it will be accompanied by an economic-impact statement. When I get it, you'll get it.

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Msg No: 73.  Sat 11-16-91  7:38
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: those who live in grass houses

An outfit called Mansion Industries is introducing a new type of house called Pyramod. It gets its name form the pyramidal shape of its' roof. The structural system is made entirely of compressed agricultural fiber paneling, making for a low cost, high quality home. They are currently using rice, wheat-straw, kenaf, or sugar-cane. The fibers are heated to 400 degrees F compressed under extremely high pressure and bonded with an adhesive. They are looking for entrepeneurs who would like to start a factory locally. Their address is: Mansion Industries 14425 E. Clark Ave/P O Box 2220 Industry, CA 91746 . It appears that we are now able to "grow" our own housing.

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Msg No: 74.  Sat 11-16-91 19:14
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: A Giant Step Forward…

In the elections held earlier this month, the city of San Francisco voted on Proposition P, legalizing the medical use of Cannabis Hemp. Proposition P passed by an amazing 79.1%. This bill is an "advisory" in that it does not affect Calif. State law nor the Feds, but it does send a strong msg to Sacramento. The San Francisco DA has promised to respect it. Watch for the Great San Fransisco Glaucoma Epidemic of 1992!

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Msg No: 75.  Sat 11-16-91 19:19
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: The Power of One….

Here's a few things each of us can do:

1. Learn the facts.  Any of the organizations I've posted will be more
   than happy to help you learn about hemp.  "The Emperor Wears No
   Clothes" by Jack Herer is an excellent source book. B.A.C.H has a lot
   of practical info for getting into the legal hemp business.
2. Talk about hemp to friends, family, co-workers and everybody. Never
   get tired and never be ashamed.  Just say you think hemp should be
   made legal again.  You'll be amazed at how many agree.  Talk about
   medical marijuana,  free choice and non-smoking commercial hemp(rope,
   paper, fabric, fuel, oil, food, etc.) Be proud of what you believe!
   This is America. Remember, you're in good company: Both Washington
   and Jefferson were hemp farmers.  Pretend the entire movement rests
   on your shoulders.  Never get tired of talking about hemp.
3. Photocopy literature to pass out and send with your letters. Rubber
   Stamps are available for your envelopes.
4. Write letters to your elected officials, newspapers, magazines, TV&
   radio stations. Be brief and clear.  I'll be posting some "sample"
   letters soon.
5. Help out a local group. Attend meetings. Make phone calls, do office
   work, fold and mail literature, etc. Offer your special skills (like
   data entry, research, speaking, art, organizing, copying, etc).
6. Donate money to local groups. Contribute SUPPLIES or postage! All
   groups need access to free or cheap printing services. Donate books 
   and magazines subscriptions to schools and libraries.  Later on in
   the Spring, we'll be needing Billboard space, etc.
7. Never let a lie (marijuana causes brain-damage, etc) to go by. Stand
   up and correct people when they speak ill of this plant.
8. Register to vote!  You have to be a registered voter to sign the
   Hemp Initiative petition.  Voting also gets you on the prospective
   jurors list and may afford you an opportunity to excerice the right
   of jury-nullification in a hemp-law case.  We have the power to STOP
   sending good people to jail!
9. Stay positive and be happy! We live in exciting times. Great things
   are afoot! You have an opportunity to live the patriotic rhetoric
   we've all grown up with. Use the method of CONVERSION rather than
   confrontation.  Trust that people are capable of making the right
   decision when given all the information. 55% of Coloradoans are in
   favor of re-legalizaton NOW!  It's up to us to educate the public
   about medicine/paper/fiber/fuel/food/non-toxic paints and varnishes,
   etc. Once this information is learned, it cannot be ignored. (there
   are only two types of people who can ignore hemp: the hoplessly
   ignorant and the politically corrupt!) 1992 is going to be a fun
   and exciting year!

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Msg No: 76.  Sun 11-17-91 19:36  (RECV'D)
  From: Ace Mon
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Good Views

I'm TRULY glad to see a forum of this type. I've been advocating the legalization of hemp for years and years. When you consider how addictive nicotine is (and destructive), it almost makes me ashamed to call myself an American. Here we have so many other legal chemicals that cause lung cancer, liver damage, etc., yet a harmless substance like hemp is stuck in the same "tarnished" corner as coke, crack, heroin, et all. However, despite the recent decade of conservative rulings, I see (and hear) more and more people beginning to see the hypocracy of such laws. I'm working every avenue that I can to help with the legalization and taxation of hemp, from discussions with friends and coworkers, to letters to state and federal legislators. I will not stop! The savings and benefits of legalized hemp are enormous. The first (and obvious) savings are the elimination of the so-called "drug war", which would allow budget funds to be used for more important social issues. Taxing hemp might prove to be lucrative enough to help destroy our staggering deficit. Ah, the ramifications boggle the mind. Anyway, enough flogging on my part. Thanks for cluing me into this section - I'll be checking it out from time to time.

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Msg No: 77.  Mon 11-18-91 20:35
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: D U NORML

The University of Denver chapter of NORML meets Wednesday nights at 9:00 at B A Room 209. All are welcomed.

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Msg No: 78.  Mon 11-18-91 20:37
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 79.

Set aside December 6th. Jack Herer, author of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" will be in Denver. Jack is probably America's foremost authority on the commercial use of cannabis hemp. He'll give a lecture and there will be a book-signing. I'll post more info as it becomes available.

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Msg No: 79.  Tue 11-19-91 17:02  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 78, 80.

When did jack get outta the slammer? I thought the good folks of South Carolina had managed to get him under raps. Glad he's out. Did they drop the charges, or did he make bail?

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Msg No: 80.  Wed 11-20-91  7:02  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 79, 81, 82.

He made bail. I don't know all the details yet, but I hear they tore the sh*t out of his R-V, confiscated all his T-shirts, books, videos, etc. Kind of devestating, when you consider he makes his living from his travelling hemp-show. I'll talk to Connie over at Rocky Mtn Hemp today and see if I can learn more. There still looking for an indoor place to hold the rally….any suggestions?

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Msg No: 81.  Wed 11-20-91  8:08  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 80, 83.

The Regency Hotel, I-25 and 38th Ave. They have all kinds of meeting rooms, from small to large.

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Msg No: 82.  Wed 11-20-91 18:20  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 80, 84.

If it would be acceptable for the Auraria Hemp club to be the offical host, then I can check on the gym or the student union. We have a meeting this saturday, I'll light it and see if it smokes.

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Msg No: 84.  Thu 11-21-91  5:16  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 82, 85.

I don't think there will be a problem with Auraria Hemp Club being official host….either the gym or the student union sounds good….they should be aware that there will be live bands. I'll run it up the hemp- stalk and see who salutes it over at NORML/Rcky Mtn Hemp. tks.

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Msg No: 85.  Thu 11-21-91  9:05  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Big Plans? ALSO SEE: 84, 86, 119.

So, when are yuse guys gonna set up a Rocky Mt. Hemp Board, and then a national hemp board net? Use them to publish and circulate mainly text files and messages/bulletins, and to feed your nets into other nets such as Fido. Make the netmail system work across a variety of board and pc types to have a wider reach. Spread the info. among lots of boards in different states and you'll be immune from "interference", if you know what I mean Nyuk Nyuk!

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Msg No: 86.  Fri 11-22-91  6:57  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Big Boy

Subject: Big Plans? ALSO SEE: 85, 88.

Just as soon as possible. The only things I'm lacking are Time, Money, and Know-how. Open to suggestions.

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Msg No: 87.  Fri 11-22-91  6:59
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Library Project ALSO SEE: 90.

The following is from the Colorado Hemp Initiative Project: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES LIBRARY PROJECT In order to fully inform all high school students in Colorado about hemp, we make this offer: send $15 plus $3 postage to H.I.P. and we will donate one copy of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" to the Colorado high school library of your choice. Or you may allow us to select a school. Author Jack Herer's fine resource book about hemp is a "must" read for every high school student in the state. Our intention is to insure each student access to this book this year. Please help our youth to know the true facts about hemp. This could potentially be our most important information promotion this year. This book is the "bible" of hemp. Order a copy for yourself also. H.I.P 1015 South Gaylord #181 Denver, Co 80209 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I see two possible things happening here, and both of them are good: 1. The book will find its' way into many school libraries, and/or… 2. Some tight-ass will attempt to "ban" the book, thereby insuring that every student in the state will WANT to read it.

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Msg No: 88.  Fri 11-22-91 11:03  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Big Plans? ALSO SEE: 86, 89.

You're also lacking a little plastic object called a Round Tuit. Sorry, I'm fresh out Nyuk Nyuk! Suggestions? 1. Download a BBS sw pkg, GTP is just waiting for d/l on my h.d., but there's a whole lot more, for you I'd recommend Telegard because it has a million neat "security" or access features. 2. Start a BBS part time at first, then get a spare pc and phone line and go 24 hours. Can't the "movement" adopt the board and contribute $$? 3. Advertise to other "brothers" the idea, and maybe they'll have pcs that can turn into boards and hook up to your new "net". 4. Pretty soon you won't be able to live without it.

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Msg No: 90.  Fri 11-22-91 20:19  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Library Project ALSO SEE: 87, 92.

I'll put my money on Number two. It's sad, but I don't think we will Jack's bood in the school librarys any time soon.

s

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Msg No: 92.  Sat 11-23-91  7:48  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: The Foad

Subject: Library Project ALSO SEE: 90, 94.

I wish youse guys would wake up and smell the roses. Publish your materials electronically, not on paper (tree or hemp Nyuk Nyuk!). If you can talk Jack H. into it, you can electronicize his book into a text file or files that can be on every school's apple in months, and would be unstoppable.

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Msg No: 93.  Sat 11-23-91  7:50  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: The Foad

Subject: BBS ALSO SEE: 91, 95.

Just get half of them to call my board Nyuk Nyuk!

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Msg No: 94.  Sat 11-23-91 10:12  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Big Boy

Subject: Library Project ALSO SEE: 92.

Good Idea, but the logistics of it would be a bid difficult. Unless Jack still has an eltronic copy of his book. Also, this is a captilist society, for now anyway, and Jack does Sell his book to make his living, pay his bail, pay his lawyers, get his motor home fixed after the NC Storm Troopers tore it apart ans so fourth. I think the Double-Dare-Program is the best bet. It's going to be one mothercker of a court battle to get one started here in Denver thou. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 100. Wed 11-27-91 7:48 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Jack Herer's visit…. Jack Herer("The Emperor Wears No Clothes") will be in town Dec. 6… He will meet the public at HEMPwear, etc…1090 S. Wadsworth Unit D all day…10 AM - 8 PM….He'll be signing books and answering any questions you might have about hemp. HEMPwear, etc is Denver's only hemp- only store….just a reminder, HEMPwear, etc has it's grand opening on Sat, Nov 30 …..giveaways, hoopla. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 105. Wed 11-27-91 20:57 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: BBS ALSO SEE: 101, 109. I'll be there on the 6th, but I don't know about this saturday. Does sound like a fun family outing. I'm really looking forward to meeting Jack. Just got done organizing the club rouster. It looks like we got about 150 members, after alowing for smart asses sighing phoney names. Our table at the Student Union was a real kick in the ass this week. We got put right between Citibank and the Marine Recruters. We tried to be nice, but the jarheads got real hostile when we offered them a free (a two dollor value) bumper sticker. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 108. Fri 11-29-91 14:14 From: The Foad To: All Subject: Fatigue I was watching Heraldo's "Now it Can be Told' the other night. Not the most reliable Journalist, but he hit on a real interesting area. A few years back, when drugs started causing trains to run into each other, and planes started falling out of the sky, sometimes before, some times after running into other planes, the FAA and DOT both losened up the rest requiremnetsents for the operationrs of these vehicles. It used to be that piolots and other operators were required to have a minimum of eight hours rest between shifts and shift lengths /, and varried, depending on the job. Now, they are only required to have SIX hours between shifts. I don't know if there is any limit on the length of the shift. A lot of these people that were supposrdly on drugs at the time of the accident had been working for thirteen or more hours, often with no break. Both the FAA and the DOT refuse to acknowledge the posibilty that fatigue could be causing these accidents. Perhaps the we shouldn't be so worried about wether or not the pilot was blowing a dobbie last night, but wether or not the airlines let him get any sleep last night. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 109. Mon 12-02-91 18:09 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: 60 Minutes ALSO SEE: 105, 110. I guess marines haven't changed much, though a lot I knew 20+ years ago were virtual smoking machines….different times, different circumstances. Last night 60 Minute did an excellent piece on medical marijuana. One doctor they interviewed preferred to prescribe a certain pharmaceutical drug (not marijuana) but it turned out THAT drug costs about $600 per day. Another doctor nailed it:Pharmaceutical companies are against hemp because they can't patent a plant. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 110. Mon 12-02-91 22:02 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: 60 Minutes ALSO SEE: 109, 113. I really ment to watch it, but I couldn't be home. I did set my VCR, but it pretty much watches what it wants to watch. So, I missed it. Did they bring out that the Bush-man takes Maranol (sp?). I guess when one make $250,000-plus-perks per year, one can afford a few hundred a day. But those of us of a somewhat lower income braket) [Db bracket would sure find it nice to be able to grow it in our back yard for nothing. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 111. Tue 12-03-91 9:56 From: The Lensman To: All Subject: Hempwear ALSO SEE: 112, 120. Does anyone know what the story is on the Hempwear store that was supposed to open last weekend at Wadsworth and Mississippi? I stopped by for the scheduled grand opening last Saturday to find an empty storefront. Is it a lost cause or just a delayed one… and until when? Greg Bradt aka ()The Lensman() Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 112. Tue 12-03-91 17:30 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: The Lensman Subject: Hempwear ALSO SEE: 111. I haven't actualy been there YET, but it is right next to where the Rocky Moutian Hemp Network has been meeting, so I got a good idea why you didnt find it. The shopping center it's located in has two addresses. The 'L' shaped part is actualy 1080 S Wadsworth. 1090 S Wadsworth is the building in the center of the parking lot. Both 1080 and 1090 have a unit D, so chances are you went to 1080, next to the blood center. From what I understan, it's been open, but the big grand opening is going to be this Saturday. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 113. Thu 12-05-91 6:19 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: 60 Minutes ALSO SEE: 110, 117. No…they didn't mention King Geo's use of marinol…please tell me more. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 115. Thu 12-05-91 6:22 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Give 'em enough rope… Hemp rope, that is….One of the benefits of living under an unwieldy bureaucracy is that it will always trip itself up with its own statistics. The following comes to us from the Federal Bureau of Mortality Statistics: How Dangerous is Marijuana Compared To Other Substances? # of Deaths Per Year Tobacco…………………………340,000 to 425,000 Alcohol…………………………150,000+ Aspirin…………………………180 to 1,000+ 'Legal' Drug Overdose…………….14,000 to 27,000 MARIJUANA……………………….0 Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 116. Thu 12-05-91 14:53 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Today In History… December 5, 1933 Alcohol Prohibition Repealed by Citizen Referendum… Shows that, when given the chance, we CAN do something right. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 117. Thu 12-05-91 17:50 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: 60 Minutes ALSO SEE: 113, 118. You mean that you of all people didn't know that fearless leader has Glacoma (sp?). Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 118. Fri 12-06-91 7:27 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: squinty George… ALSO SEE: 117. I had no idea…..I'll bet ya he and Babs have a bong squirreld away somewhere (Kinnebunkport?) Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 119. Fri 12-06-91 20:40 (RECV'D) From: Nasty Bitch To: Big Boy Subject: Question ALSO SEE: 85, 124. I'm sorry, but I just got here. But I don't understand what you are talking about. What is Hemp? It sounds very familire. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 120. Fri 12-06-91 20:44 (RECV'D) From: Nasty Bitch To: The Lensman Subject: Hempwear ALSO SEE: 111, 121. Oaky, I see now. It's like halson, or chick. what kind of clothes does Hemp make? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 121. Sat 12-07-91 7:58 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Nasty Bitch Subject: Hempwear ALSO SEE: 120. Hi, you Nasty Bitch, you. Welcome to this part of the board. Hemp is a fiber yielding plant which has been cultivated for 12,000 years. These days it's more popularly known as marijuana, a term coined by the Hearst newspapers during the smear campaign of the 30's. It can be made into just about any kind of cloth from the coarsest canvas (the Dutch word for cannabis) to elegant silk-like materials. The famous old Irish linens were originally made from hemp. The original long-lasting Levi's jeans were made from hemp. Unlike cotton, on which 50% of our agricultural pesticides/herbicides are used, hemp requires no such poisons. Hemp can be made into long-lasting paper so we can save our forests. Hemp can be made into fuel for energy to run our cars/homes/factories. It will yield from 20-60 barrels methanol fuel per acre, making it the #1 bio-mass source. The Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp estimates that it can provide 90% of our energy. We don't need nuclear power and we don't have to go to war in the Gulf again. Hemp, as medicine, has hundreds of uses. It is saving thousands of lives. Chemo-therapy and AIDS therapy produce what is called a "Wasting Syndrom"….patients lose their appetite and are plagued by a terrible nausea which hinders the use of oral medications. Smoking the leaves and flowers of the hemp plant stops the nausea, revives their appetite and lets them live. 10,000 glaucoma sufferers can save their vision by smoking hemp(10,000 per year in this country alone.) Hemp seeds yield cheap and plentiful food-stuffs, more versatile than the soybean. It can cheaply and quickly feed the starving people of this country and the third world. Not ten years from now. This could be a reality in less than a year, after hemp is relegalized. Anything petroleum makes, can be made from hemp. It can be made into plastic, etc. It can be made into fiberboard and other construction materials. With a profit potential of $500-$700 (or higher) per acre, it will save family farms. I believe our success in the coming century depends on our stewardship and utilization of this God-given miracle plant. I have also heard that smoking the leaves and flowers of this plant produces a mild-but-enjoyable relaxing effect. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 122. Sat 12-07-91 8:20 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 123, 125. The sysop over at The Circuit Board BBS (303) 666-0302 is working very hard to start up a National Hemp Echo. In order to justify an echo, he needs to have a lot of hemp-topic traffic going in the next week or so. From the main menu tap 9 for Rocky Mountain Hemp Network Information area. Let's all (both of us) make time to leave hemp msgs/info over there for him. I think this is going to be the first hemp echo, and it's very important….patriotic hempsters all over this great land can communicate with each other quickly and exchange ideas, schedules, who's in jail, who needs bail-money, who's going to be where, etc. It's also a quick way to educate the curious. The best thing about hemp info is that once you learn it, you can't forget it. You can't make it go away. It is turning thousands of people into dedicated activists. And it's the most fun many of us have had in years. My God….I think we're actually going to win this thing…. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 123. Sat 12-07-91 13:22 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 122, 126, 127. Only problem is the Circuit Board is a FEE board. If you don't pay the fee, you barely get enough time to log on. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 124. Sat 12-07-91 18:14 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Nasty Bitch Subject: Question ALSO SEE: 119. Try reading the first 100 or so posts in this sub Nyuk Nyuk! Maybe you need to SMELL it to get the idea Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 125. Sat 12-07-91 18:15 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 122. I just tried the Circuit Board 666-0302, and my gosh, you're right Nyuk Nyuk! Just hit 9 from the Main Menu and you're in a veritable Hempland, on their much superior multiline Cadillac rig Nyuk Nyuk! Nice! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 126. Sat 12-07-91 18:16 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: The Foad Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 123, 128. Well, you get more time if you upload them something first, so just have something ready, and maybe your access will improve. Maybe Kind Bud can swing a deal where those who get into the Hemp section of the board are given improved access just by posting a message there? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 127. Sun 12-08-91 6:48 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: Special Dispensation ALSO SEE: 123. I'll do that! There are many of us who are chronically self-employed, students, victims of IRS tyranny, etc (I have three kids in college!) and might be apt to avoid FEE type boards…In the mean time, just d/loading the registration form will net you more time. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 128. Sun 12-08-91 8:49 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 126. I tried uploading, but you don't get much time to look around and see what they don't have. That and I can't get any protocal to work, not even xmodem. It downloads ok. I tried to leave a note asking if he had any suggestons, but I could't figure out how to exit the message editor. I guess I was having a bad day. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 129. Tue 12-10-91 12:40 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Fed.Judge sees the light…. A friend of mine in local broadcasting told me of a recent AP newservice wire he recently saw. In W. Palm Beach FLA Fed Judge James C. Paine called for re-legalization of cannabis and other substances in his address to the Federal Bar Assn (I'm guessing the Fed Bar is for Fed Judges…not to be confused with the A B A.) He drew parallels between the current prohibition and the old Alcohol Prohibition, and said:"Trying to wage war on 23 million Americans who are obviously very committed to certain recreational activities is not working." The report said that other judges in attendance were "intrigued" by the concept. In 1988 DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young recommended that marijuana be reclassified as a Schedule II drug:"Based upon the facts established in this record and set out above, one must reasonably conclude that there is accepted safety for use of marijuana…To conclude otherwise, on this record, would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious…" Slowly, but surely. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 130. Tue 12-10-91 23:49 (RECV'D) From: Rick Blair To: The Foad Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 8, 132. I was bothered by one of your statements. It referred to the police not really being our friends. While I may not always agree with every law enacted, I do recognize their job is to enforce these laws. I believe the problem lies with the law and not the police. My attitude is probably biased in that a very close friend is an officer. I would not trade places with him for anything due to the nature of his job. I do respect him and the other officers I have met personally. Please do not take this as an all encompassing endorsement for all officers. There are bad apples in each walk of life. Just wanting to suggest all not be judged by the actions of a few or due to misdirected frustration over the legal system. Best of luck with your family. Rick Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 131. Wed 12-11-91 10:16 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Comments ALSO SEE: 135, 228. I got a private message t'other day by user Andy Weiss, I think he really wanted it to go in this sub, so I'm quoting it in full. He must have just read the One Plant article off the Bulletin menu. Very interesting argument. Here are some counter facts. The rain forests are being demolished for grazing land for cattle not paper production. Increased CO2 follows global warming, it isn't a cause this is a documented fact I just read in this months edition of either Scientific American or Discover. As far as relief goes for medical conditions I'd rather be cured, not temporarially relieved. Didn't China use opium for relief in the 1800's as it was heading to be a world power and ended up a third world pit with a majority of it population laying in opium dens? Yes, I do know pot isn't nearly as addictive as opium, but the similiarity is there. Hemp would make great jeans, shirts, jackets, or whatever. I'd gladly pay less for a pair of jeans that lasted much longer than cotton while being just as comfortable if not more comfortable. Poeple who are against drugs see your argument as a little step in the legalization of pot because they believe that members of NORML want to be able to smoke some thunder fuck or skunk weed without the threat of jail a lot more than they're interested in glaucoma or cancer patients. And legalizing pot is just a step in the legalization of all drugs. That's what some people believe and they are as scared of drugs as they are of change be it for the better or worse. The government falls under this catagory. I heard about how we paid the Chinese gov't to destroy some of their large hemp fields and in the process 3 species of birds that needed the large hemp fields to live were exterminated. I have friends who like to smoke pot and I've heard all the pro's, a lot more than the ones you've listed, and I've also heard the con's. One of my friends who really likes it thinks that its being illegal is good. He's knows too many people who, once they get some can't help themselves, they just sit there and smoke it till it's gone. I know a nurse who says she'd smoke it if it was legal but being professional and a member of a medical clinic, it would look real bad if she got busted, won't. bou has she got some stories of the days before she became professional. and the pictures of her fields too boot . I also know that there is much less violence as concerts when pot is plentyfull in the county as there is when pot is scarce. One of my friends who likes to smoke it tells me that he'll never go to a hemp rally. I don't know about the ones out here in Colorado, but the ones in Michigan are attended by 14 year olds in heavy metal t-shirts, 60's rejects and 60's wanna-bee's (his words). He says they hurt the cause more than they help it. Then a picture of the worst looking ones end up in the news paper to further convince every one else the pot destroys lives. It may sound like I've gone about a 180 degree turnabout, or was it 270 , either way I don't think NORML is going to mke a difference, especially with all the bad publicity that crack and gang violence is giving drugs even though crack is in no way similiar to pot. Is NORML trying to grow hemp for industry. The way I see it NORML isn't doing anything. It wants to legalize high THC pot. It's fighting big government and I don't think it has any chance of winning. Why doesn't it propose to grow low THC hemp in a prototype industry and produce some tough, cheap, comfortable cloth; oil; and food? I've rambled on long enough. I'll go browse the adult section and get aroused. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 132. Wed 12-11-91 17:44 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Rick Blair Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 130. Ah, new blood. I'm glad you are bothered by my attitude twards the police. I'm bothered by it too. I SHOULD not have that attitude. But we line in a country were not having that attitude has proven leathal to many. As far as the D.A.R.E. program, the officers flat out lie to the children, and they use their postion of authority to convince children to search their homes and turn their parents in if they find anything. Officers regularly take the possession of private citizens without So much as even filing charges. I could go on and on, but that would be pointless. I still stand by my belief that anybody who trusts a cop is a fool. As far a having friends that are cops.. I have many friends that are cops, I also have many friends, that like myself, didn't like the direction things are going, so they quit being cops. Did you know that there were eight bank robberies in the Denver area last week? The reason nobody hears about them is the cops on't give a diddly about them. What counts is taking the most property, and putting the most "junkies" in jail. In a survey taken a few months ago of children who had compleated the D.A.R.E. programing, there was a question about the job of the police officer. "What is the job of a police officer (A) To arrest people who break the law (B) To protect people 87 percent of the children answered "A". Mabye it's just a matter of semantics. But it scares the hell outa me. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 137. Sun 12-15-91 7:00 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Andy Weiss Subject: Permit me…. ALSO SEE: 183. Hi, Andy…welcome to the discussion. You've raised some interesting points, and I'd like to jump in and address them, if I may… |Rain forests are being demolished for grazing land for cattle, not for |paper… The destruction of the Brazilian includes agriculture as well as other timber-related enterprises. The Indonesian and South-East Asian rainforests are being decimated by the Japanese at an alarming rate strictly for traditional timber purposes. Our own North American forests are also in danger…According to the Dept. of the Interior, over 50% of our forests have been cut in the last half-century. The average age of an American tree is just under 8 years. Last spring, Wisconsin paper mills began receiving shipments of Brazilian Eucalyptus pulp to be made into paper. These are dollars that should be going to American farmers. A lot of sulfer acids are needed to pulp wood for paper…dioxins are released into the atmosphere and ground water. Hemp can be pulped using 1/5 to 1/7th the harmful chemicals needed to pulp wood. Roughly half the pesticides/herbicides used in agriculture are used on cotton, again seeping into our ground water supply….hemp needs no such poisons, and can be grown on marginal land where little else grows. |As far as relief goes for medical conditions, I'd rather be cured, not |temporarily relieved. I doubt you'd find any dissenters among the millions of people suffering from cancer, AIDS, glaucoma, MS, MD, epilepsy, asthma, anorexia, et al. Until those miracle cures are found, it's our responsibility to see to it that every American who needs marijuana for medicine recieves it immediately. To do anything less is worse than inhumane..it's insane. |I know pot is not nearly as addictive as opium… Right. I see no parallels between marijuana and opium, either, though alcohol and tobacco would certainly fit in that category: both are addictive and deadly. There is not a single marijuana induced death on record. |Hemp would make great jeans, shirts, jackets, etc. I'd gladly… Check out Hempware, etc, 1090 S Wadsworth, Unit D…Colorado's first full-blown hempery…hemp clothing, and other hemp products, including a brand of hempseed-oil called "Happy Hempster!" There is a reading room and video selection in the back of the store…you can view "Hemp For Victory!", a WWII propaganda film produced by the Dept. of Agriculture, encouraging farmers to grow 400,000 acres of hemp for the war effort. A lot of the "ditch-weed" found in the midwest is the progeny of that effort. While at Hempware, etc, you can sit and read "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer….the bible of the contemporary hemp movement. Or just drop by and say hi to Connie, who owns the store….she's an outspoken and patriotic lady, a true bulwark of the movement. She suffers from glaucoma and is full of info about the commercial/industrial/medical applications of cannabis hemp. Hempware, etc is open from 10 am to 8 pm Monday thru Saturday. |People who are againts drugs…believe that members of NORML want to be |able to smoke some Thunderfuck or Skunkweed without the threat of jail. At least we have no trouble getting that portion of our message across. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are not priveleges to be taken away at the whim of some petty despot…They are inalienable rights, and worth fighting for. It's not unreasonable for productive, responsible individuals to expect to be able to enjoy this herb without fear of imprisonment, property forfeiture and financial ruin. Drug War Hysteria has violated every one of our Bill of Rights, with the exception of Article III, the quartering of troops. Hemp is as much a freedom-movement, as an evironmental/economic/medicinal one. I believe if we don't fight for our freedom in this last decade of the 20th century, we probably won't have any in the next century. I think we'll win, because America is the country that started it all. |I don't think NORML is going to make a difference…Is NORML trying to grow hemp for industry? THe way I see it, NORML isn't doing anything. It wants to legalize high THC pot. It's fighting Big Government and I don't |think it has a chance of winning… C'mon Andy! Let's see that frown turn upside down! The Government is a dinosaur dying under it's own weight….still dangerous and deadly, but dying all the same. We can each run up and chuck a spear or two to help put it out of it's misery. It's unable to serve the needs of it's people Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 138. Sun 12-15-91 7:49 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Andy Weiss Subject: Part 2, how I do prattle on… unable to serve the needs of it's people. There is growing dissatisfaction everywhere. Our president's kid stole a billion (give or take) dollars. Links between the CIA and hard-drugs are well documented. Workers are being laid off in record numbers, and small businesses are failing at a higher rate than at any time in our history. People are ready to learn the truth about hemp and what it can do for our economy. And, there's never been a better time than the present for it's relegalization. Who among us could have predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall? The break-down of the Soviet Union? There's the smell of freedom in the air, and it's high time we spread some of around in the good old U S of A. |Why doesn't (NORML) propose to grow some low THC hemp in a prototype |industry and provide some tough, cheap, comfortable cloth:oil:food? Because it;s ILLEGAL to grow hemp. That's what this is all about. After a two year battle, John Birrenbach of the Institute for Hemp (St. Paul) has finally obtained the necessary permits from the Minnesota Department of Agriculture to grow 100 acres of Hemp in 1992. Now, he has to battle the feds to obtain THEIR permits, so that he can possess viable seed in order to plant the hemp. (Probably several more years in court.) A Russian agricultural delegation met with John last spring to learn hemp-harvesting/pulping methods. Russia was a leading producer of hemp in the last century, and are planning to get back into its production again.(Napolean invaded Russia to cut off Englands hemp supply.) Bill I. of Hemp Environmental Activists (Michigan State University) is also attempting to obtain the necessary permits for Hemp farming. The battle is being waged all across the country as the movement gains momentum. Jim Young, technical editor of PULP & PAPER Magazine (a wood-pulp industry rag) recently wrote an article:"It's Time To Reconsider Hemp." (June 1991) I also recommend a look at the May 2, 1991 WALL STREET JOURNAL's front page arcticle by Sonia L. Nazario:"What Is As Versatile As The Soybean But Illegal Anyway?" Willie Nelson, Gatewood Gailbraith, Hugh Downs and others are going public in support of hemp. It's an idea who's time has come. BTW, to listen to a 10 minute recording of Hugh Down's ABC 20/20 piece on Hemp, just call 470-1100 from your touch-tone phone….when connected, punch in 477. If you appreciate what you hear, then punch 411 for a complete directory of recorded information. There is a lot going on here that the general public is not yet aware of…the hemp movement is going to grow throughout the 90's….I'm out of time….talk to you later…come join us at Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion corner….check out the msgs and let us know what you're thinking…. KB Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 139. Sun 12-15-91 8:39 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Andy Weiss Subject: just one more thing… A local bio-mass specialist named Auga Das produces a show called "Sustainable Futures" on Mile High Community Access…the show often touches on the many applications of hemp…Das also runs a small company called Original Sources which produces hempseed-oil and hemp foods…Alfalfa's Market has recently started carrying the hempseed-oil…his oil and other hemp-food products are also available in several other health-food type strores. This holiday season, he's also marketing an egg-nog made from hempseed milk. If you have time to check out Kind Bud's Corner, but find the traffic too much to bear, try reading msg#'s 5/19/53/54/58-59/73/74/75… Sorry for all the typo's….My wood-stove is a slow starter and I'm freezing my fingers off….. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 140. Mon 12-16-91 13:46 From: M Man To: All Subject: HEMPWARE ALSO SEE: 141. First of all I would like to say how great it is to see this type of disscusion going on. People are finally spreading the word! The Boulder Hemp Inititive Project (B.H.I.P.) was started this fall on the CU campus and there is lots of interest here. yes Meetings are tuesday evenings at 7:00pm and we meet just inside the doors of the UMC terrace entrance on the CU Boulder campus everyone is welcome. Has anyone been to Hempware yet? time is up Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 141. Tue 12-17-91 7:10 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: M Man Subject: Hello ALSO SEE: 140. and welcome to the discussion. Yes! I've been to HEMPware, etc. several times and the place is really popping. They've recieved excellent coverage from AP news service, Denver Post, and several radio stations…lots of good hemp products plus a reading room for the general public. The last time I was there they had a device on loan from MindFlight, Inc….I can only describe the device as a "Brain-machine"…sort of an electronic audio-visual psychedelic experience….you'd have to try it to appreciate it. Keep us informed as to the goings-on at B-H.I.P., and let those fine folks know about this bbs. Be talking to ya later… Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 142. Tue 12-17-91 8:09 From: Big Boy To: All Subject: New to Board? If you are new to this board and want to download some files on hemp, try the following command at the main menu prompt: w k hemp This will show you the names of any hemp files available for download, as well as the file area where they reside. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 143. Thu 12-19-91 7:14 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Swiss Hash Law From Rocky Mtn News Nov. 8,91: SWISS COURT CUTS HASH PENALTY Lausanne, Switzerland The Swiss Supreme Court yesterday reduced the penalty for casual dealers of hashish, saying the drug was no more dangerous than alcohol. Those convicted of selling even large quantities of hashish on an occasional basis will no longer be classed as "serious" offenders. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 144. Thu 12-19-91 17:00 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Rotarians learn about reefer.. Last Tuesday, Mark Culverhouse of NORML-Colorado was invited to speak at a Rotarian luncheon at a North Denver Red Lobster….he reports that the group was very receptive to the information and asked all the "right" questions concerning economics/environment/medicine, etc. He has been invited to speak at another Rotarian meeting soon. After the speech, 3 wait-persons volunteered to work as petitioners…. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 145. Thu 12-19-91 17:04 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: It's Legal! It's Legal! A friend of mine writes for "High Times" magazine and is often in touch with the editorial staff of that fine journal. He tells me that they report that Tazmania, a province of Australia, has legalized the commercial farming of hemp….This is the result of months of lobbying by a group of environmentalists/farmers….apparently Tazmania has been having a serious pollution problem as a result of their wood-pulp-paper industry. This shows that it can be DONE! Tazmania will join China, Hungary, Czecho, Italy, Spain, and France in the production of commercial hemp. Russia and other east-European countries will follow suit soon. The United Nation's International Treaty on Marijuana is going hell in a basket! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 146. Thu 12-19-91 17:12 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: more through the hemp-vine…. ALSO SEE: 154. That same friend also tells me that the Polish General Assembly has gone the de-criminalization route as far as personal use goes….apparently they are using the "Amsterdam Model" of pot regulation….For those who are not aware of what's happening in Holland, marijuana is still "illegal", but it is not considered worth prosecuting….many coffee houses in Amsterdam and smaller villages openly offer marijuana/hashish on a separate menu. Patrons are free to smoke in a stress-free environment. In the fall, after the ballot-initiative battle is over, we're all going to need a much-deserved vacation….I propose we put together a coalition of hemp-warriors and get a group-rate for a week in Amsterdam! Tourist class hotels run $40 a night for a double. Anyone interested should drop me a line. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 147. Fri 12-20-91 11:43 (NO KILL) From: M Man To: All Subject: B.H.I.P. Well all is well after another meeting of the Boulder Hemp Inititive Project. We now have our own meeting room in the UMC on the CU campus. The administration likes what we are doing! Since we are mostly students there will not be anymore meetings until January. I will let you know when we are going to start up again. We have some good plans for the new year! The year of HEMP!!! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 148. Sun 12-22-91 18:45 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: quote for the day ALSO SEE: 161. "Now this hemp is the finest fibre known to mankind, my God, if you ever have a shirt made out of it, your grandchildren would never wear it out. You take Polish families. We used to see marijuana in the yards of Polish families. We'd go in and start to tear it up and the man came out with his shotgun, yelling:'These are my clothes for next winter.'" Harry J Anslinger, former Commissioner, US Fed.Bureau of Narcotics. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 149. Mon 12-23-91 11:39 From: Big Boy To: All Subject: Another Board Hemps Up I just found out that Mobius Continuum, 466-5368, a Telegard board, has started a sub on Hemp, and most of the posts were pro-hemp Nyuk Nyuk! Now somebody should get them to sponsor a Hemp echo on whatever net they're on, I think they call it Swashnet. They also started a hemp file area with no download ratio (all my areas have no d/l ratio already Nyuk Nyuk!). All because I u/l-ed them a hemp file a month ago and forgot to check up on what they did after that Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 150. Wed 12-25-91 6:13 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Hemp Hemp Hemp Hemp Hemp Hemp I've found another hemp discussion going on over on One World-One People BBS, 238-6976 in their environmental issues sub. I logged on about three weeks ago, and mentioned what a shame it was that the trees were disappearing….I came back a couple of days ago, and their talking hemp! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 151. Wed 12-25-91 6:16 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: New Files…. ALSO SEE: 152. I've just uploaded KINDBUD.ZIP and MUGGLES.ZIP…KB contains a prosecutor's expert panel recommendations for legalization….this was suppressed by the Calif Atty General…also DEA Judge Francis Young's decision calling for re-scheduling of marijuana, and a conversation between Jack Herer and a high-ranking USDA official. MUGGLES contains the Pulp & Paper article "It's Time To Reconsider Hemp"…the Wall St Journal front page article on hemp, the famous 1938 Popular Mechanics article "New Billion Dollar Crop", and more… Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 152. Wed 12-25-91 10:10 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: New Files…. ALSO SEE: 151. Well (ahem), muggles.zip is now called hempsrce.zip. I have so many hemp files now that I've set up a special hemp file area. Now if somebody with wp would d/l the files that are in wp format and reformat them into text files that us yokels without wp can read…. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 153. Mon 12-30-91 10:59 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Fido Echo Ask your favorite sysops to drop a line to Jim Burt [1:104:115] and ask for a feed of the hemp echo….we need to spread the word. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 154. Mon 12-30-91 21:33 (RECV'D) From: The Deicide To: Kind Bud Subject: more through the hemp-vine ALSO SEE: 146, 160. re. amsterdam. Me and three other friends are seriously considering going this summer and have a lot of the shit worked out. It'll cost around $700.00 on airfare alone in the middle of the summer which is quite a bit, but I think it will be well worth it. the travel agent I talked to said that hotels might run as high as $70.00 a night (for bread and breakfast). got any better suggestions for where to look kind bud?) another serious idea that I have been considering is flat out moving thereaargh.. two minute warning… i guess i'll continue later… the deicide Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 156. Tue 12-31-91 6:45 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Hemp Initiative… was submitted to the appropriate legislative body yesterday, Dec 30. They have 15 days to make wording suggestions. If changes are minor, the document should be at the Secretary of State's office by mid January and the petition drive will be underway! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 157. Wed 1-01-92 10:20 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Year of Hemp Happy New Year to all! 1992 is the year of hemp! When I get the final draft of the Hemp Initiative Petition Document, I'll convert it to text file for you….(right now it runs about 14 pages.) I'll also keep you informed as to when/where it will be available for signing. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 158. Fri 1-03-92 18:59 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Public Hemp Meeting Reminder ALSO SEE: 162. Saturday, January 4, Rocky Mountain Hemp Network has it's Public Meeting at HEMPware, etc., 1090 S Wadsworth Unit D from 6 pm to 8 pm. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 159. Sat 1-04-92 11:17 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: this just in… According to the Dec 30 issue of Time, a garden supply chain in Prague, Czecho is selling one pound bags of Romanian marijuana for 85 cents…not a typo…85 cents a pound…as fertilizer. This seems to have re-sparked an interest in gardening among the citizens of Prague. According to the article, thanks to the "confused" post-communist legal system this is legal. It seems to me that we are the ones with the confused legal system. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 161. Sun 1-05-92 21:44 (RECV'D) From: The Deicide To: Kind Bud Subject: quote for the day ALSO SEE: 148, 163. (re. Harry Aslinger quote) was this before or after his campaign to combat weed? anyone know what he's doing now-a-days? Deicide /s Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 163. Mon 1-06-92 6:53 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Deicide Subject: Harry Anslinger ALSO SEE: 161. He remained this country's top narc until 1961….I think he died a couple of years after that. Too bad. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 164. Mon 1-06-92 6:55 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Deicide Subject: Hempware, etc./Rocky Mtn Hemp ALSO SEE: 162. phone number….I only have the # where you can leave a msg….470-1100 ext 611. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 166. Sun 1-12-92 9:12 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: George Bush's Puke Lumps ALSO SEE: 167, 170. Do you think Bush's puking episode had anything to do with drugs? Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 167. Sun 1-12-92 18:43 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: George Bush's Puke Lumps ALSO SEE: 166. I think a little pot could have helped with the nausea. I basically have the same reaction to Japanese cuisine. The really scarry part is the thought of little Danny Quayle running around the White House asking:"Is Georgies tummie better?…..Georgies tum-tum better?" Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 168. Sat 1-18-92 10:03 (RECV'D) From: Dr. Hemp To: Kind Bud Subject: hello Saw your area listed in the Colorado NORML Reformer we got in the mail today. Thought we'd give it a looksee. We have a H.E.M.P. BBS set up here in Maryland at (410) 685-2894, which has areas for a lot of the major activist groups around right now… including C.H.A.W. (Coalition for Hemp Awareness Worldwide), which is organizing events for 1992 across the country. We have many file areas with lots of information on the benefits of hemp as well as excerpts from Jack Herer's book dealing with the history of the hemp plant. It's great to see more BBS's willing to handle the question of legalization and ending the drug war. Right now, the Maryland Marijuana Movement is busy organizing the state capitol for an initiative like Proposition P in San Francisco. They have the support of a member of the City Council who is willing to present it as a ballot initiative if they can collect enough signatures. People are finally starting to listen. Keep up the good work and educate as many people as you can. Dr. Hemp Chief Hempster Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 169. Sat 1-18-92 12:25 (RECV'D) From: Mongo Stack To: Kind Bud Subject: Greetings ALSO SEE: 178. Dear Mr. Bud, I've finally got around to dialing this BBS, and what a fine corner you have here too! The Libertarian Party O' Boulder County meets at the James Pub the second Sunday of each month, 2:00 pm. Just starting a campus group at CU, which will probably be a branch of Students for Individual Liberty (SIL) which is affiliated with the International Society for Individual Liberty. We're hoping that this will attract students who ordinarily join a purely political group, since the ISIL has worldwide prestige while still remaining libertarian in a very upfront kind of way. They also publish a number of position papers such as "Ending our Drug Nightmare", written by Jarret Wollstein, which shows the benefits of ending the WOD by legalization. Hope to see you again soon, just checked out the HEMP shop in Lakewood, looking pretty good! Our Libertarian pal Steve was recently busted on four misdemeanors, including failure to produce a license on demand by a police officer, no registration, driving on suspended license, and failure to produce proof of insurance. When the cop pulled Steve over, he asked Steve for his license and Steve refused, citing his Fifth Amendment right to avoid self incrimination. The cop told him that he was "technically under arrest", so Steve told him that if that was the case, he demanded counsel, a Fourth Amendment Search Warrent, and probable cause, whereupon the cop escorted him to jail after searching his car. At the jail, Steve again demanded counsel and a phone call. The jailer told him that he "had been watching too much tv". Anyhow, Steve was arraigned Thursday. We had worked up a brief, refusing jurisdiction and claiming violation of Constitutional rights, but never got to use it! Apparently, the DA had read the police report and realized what we were up to. All charges were dropped except for failure to produce license, and when Steve plead Not Guilty, they said they'd drop that one too. Smash the State! Steve can still sue under Title 42 of the USC, and we're looking into that. This all came about through taking the Barrister Inn school of Common Law, and we haven't even finished it yet! We plan to open a school in Boulder soon, to let people know what their rights really are, and how they can sue for big bucks when the police invariably violate these rights. The secret lies in claiming all your rights while waiving none, which is what they try to get you to do when they arrest you. It takes a lot of studying, but knowing your rights can keep you out of jail! Hope to see you soon, xxxoo Mongo. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 170. Sat 1-18-92 19:57 (RECV'D) From: The Deicide To: Big Boy Subject: George Bush's Puke Lumps ALSO SEE: 166. (re. GB throwing chunks): I dunno…. Nancy Reagan was a Valium addict during Ronnie's presidency, though, making it possible… I'm sure GB just had too much to drink, but it doesn't really matter considering alcohol is socially acceptable in America… ahh well. deicide Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 171. Fri 1-24-92 17:07 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: I'm Baaaack ALSO SEE: 165, 174. I kinda, sorta forgot to pay my phone bill for a few months, and they went and cut me off. Can you belive that? But it's paid now, and I got my modem back. It got pretty scary for awhile there, withdrals and all. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 174. Wed 1-29-92 11:43 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: I'm Baaaack ALSO SEE: 171, 175, 176. Nice to see ya back…. The Hemp Initiative is almost ready to go public…it's sitting at the Secretary of State's office now….Natalie the Nazi….If she thought Doug Bruce was a pain in the ass, wait'll she gets a load of us!…. BTW, I had a terrific HEMP topic going on PRODIGY, of all places, for about a week, till the Prodigy censors freaked out and destroyed it….funny thing, there's a "Legalize All Drugs" topic going on Prodigy, and it's not being touched by the censors….somebody was sensitive to the industrial/ commercial message that HEMP tells, and they X'd it….that just goes to prove what we've been saying all along. This coming weeken I'll be running a HEMP booth at the BIG Motorcycle Show at the Western Stock Show Complex…..about 7,000 people are expected to show up, and I expect the HEMP table to be the most popular one there….try to make it, if you can. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 175. Wed 1-29-92 19:06 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: I'm Baaaack ALSO SEE: 174. I'll try to make it. I wanted an excuse to get out. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 176. Thu 1-30-92 21:25 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Cycle Show ALSO SEE: 174. Any chance of having the petitions in hand by the show? Seems like it would be good for a couple of thousand sigs. Anyway, where will your both be and what time will you be there, and most inportant, can you get me in free? (just kidding) Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 177. Fri 1-31-92 14:23 From: M Man To: All Subject: B.H.I.P. Well another B.H.I.P. meeting has come and gone but it was a real good one so I thought I would tell you about it. Tom Barrus came by the meeting with a copy of the inititive which he had just submitted to state legislature earlier that day. He explained everything in great detail and it sounded real good. The earliest that signatures could be collected is probably February 6 after the hearings on the inititive are done. Hopefully there will not be any unseen delays but who knows with our government. The next meeting is on tuesday at 7:00 pm in UMC 157A on the Boulder CU campus. The room is downstairs. We are going to be watching some good movies so come on by if you can. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 179. Mon 2-03-92 3:13 From: Peter Perez To: All Subject: Weedman Hi, I've been following (sorta) the hemp thang…..It's very interesting for a former hoppie….who's sunk into the dregs of alcohol….as a legal alternative to my choice…… Anyhooo…..a good joke I robbed from Playboy mag a few years ago…. they did a thang on macho sushi….. Evereybody gotta see old George choke and puke live….. It goes somethin` like this….. Geo…was at the state din. din…in Japan…..he turns to his side and asks the Japanese man to his side….."what is this dish called"???? The gent replies….."We call it macho sushi"…..Geo…..asks????huh? The Japanese gent says "it's called blow-hunka" well we all know what happenes next….. Wicked Uncle Pete… Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 180. Wed 2-05-92 12:12 From: The Foad To: All Subject: Paul Harvey I didn't get it tapped, couldn't find a blank in time. But just a few moments ago, on his noon broadcast on KOA, Paul Harvey came out PRO-HEMP. I couldn't belive it! Things do be lookin up. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 183. Sun 2-09-92 19:12 (RECV'D) From: Andy Weiss To: Kind Bud Subject: Reply to "permit me…." ALSO SEE: 137. I agree with a lot of what you said. I know how devastating the paper industry is to the environment. Hemp would reduce that burden on the biosphere. "chuck a spear or two to help put it out of its misery." OUR government fills a lot of OUR needs. I think anyone who is looking to put the government out of its misery is going to lose. I believe that the gov't has reached critical mass years ago and is now growing beyond our control or its control. Isn't the gov't the largest employer in the state? There are two things that scare me about our gov't. First more and more people are relinquishing responsibilities. To keep order someone or something must accept responsibility. Here the gov't is willing to 'serve the people', except with responsibilities the people are also giving up rights. Secondly, the gov't also creates jobs where none are needed. While this may be nice for some politician to be able to say "I created 250 jobs for my constituents last year" and it may be nice for the worker who got the job, the odds are that job will be involved in the regulation of something that wasn't regulated the year before. That results in a greater tax burden for me that I don't want and it also may limitsomething that I may want to do. I've seen assholes at work create positions underneath them to enlarge their departments and stroke their egos. "I now head the largest department" they say. Yea, but all they do is sit on their ass and the people under them play pocket pool all day because there is nothing to do I know politicians do this and WE are their cash cow. they lie to us and take our money. I'm glad some of the gov't is there and I don't mind or should I say I accept, paying taxes for the things that I need. I believe, though, that I pay a lot of taxes for things that I don't need or want.—-I seem to be going off on a tangent, but I'll finish it. Soon, how soon(who knows) there will be enough people dependent on the gov't that there will be no reducing it. (Thomas Jefferson wrote that he felt there should be a revolution every 5 to 10 (Ithink) years. He knew what politicians were like.) Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 184. Tue 2-11-92 21:05 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Yo ALSO SEE: 185. Is you still there? You didn't get your phone cut off too, did ya? Whats the story on the petition drive? Did it start without me? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 185. Thu 2-13-92 19:03 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: Yo ALSO SEE: 184, 187, 190. And BigBoy, and all… whew….sorry I been gone so long…I been out husslin' trying to take care of biz, pay the rent, etc… From what I hear, the petition should be in our hands in about 13 days… There were some things to be worked out in the Titling….Natalie the Nazi wanted to use the word "marijuana" in the title 3 or 4 times, but now it is reduced to one…hemp or cannabis is used the rest of the time….this only makes sense as 'marijuana' is a mexican slang expression made popular in this country by the Hearst Newspaper smear campaign of the '30s. … ALL PLEASE NOTE: Connie Barr-Rowe of the Rocky Mountain Hemp Network and HEMPware, etc will be interviewed by Gary Tessler of KNUS Friday morning at 8:00 O'Clock…..thats 710 on the AM dial…. …and she tells me that Ole Gary is PRO-HEMP! … Foad…Paul "and now, the rest of the story" Harvey is Pro-Hemp? That's fantastic! Can you recall a little about what he said? I'll check around with my contacts in the broadcast biz and see if we can get a recording of the broadcast…it'll make a great addition to the 470-1100 hempline! Let's see….so far we have Hugh Downs, Paul Harvey, Willie Nelson, etc. Where the hell is Jerry Garcia?!?! Gotta Run…..later Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 187. Fri 2-14-92 16:13 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Spaced out ALSO SEE: 185. I saw Frank at Auraria last wensday, he had a booth set up, and he told me about Connie being on the radio. I, of course, spaced it out. It was right when I was driving to school too. As for Paul Harvey, I will have to look back at my message. I typed it just momments after the broadcast. Anyway, I'm sure somebody will have taped Connie's interview, I'll catch it from them. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 189. Sat 2-15-92 15:05 (RECV'D) From: Adam Selene To: Kind Bud Subject: Sector R Warning! Warning! Containment has broken down in Sector R. Repeat, containment has broken down in Sector R. I have jury-rigged this link, in hopes that you will get this message. Can't hold out much longer. Send ammo and hemp cakes. Repeat, send ammo and hemp cakes. I will advise as soon as situation becomes clear. Also tell the others that I have important information regarding C Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 190. Sat 2-15-92 22:22 (RECV'D) From: Spike To: Kind Bud Subject: HEMP/DIR ALSO SEE: 185, 192, 197. Hey this is what I always wanted a place to talk about mt second favorite subject in the world. Anyway I'm new to the board and thought this was a really great idea I'm here stationed in the Air Force which means I can't participate in my favorite part of the Hemp movement but I would like to lend my support any way I could to help my buddies in the "WORLD". I'm originally from Oregon where they say pot is the #2 cash crop in the state and I think I can vouch for that. Well if there is anything I can do or if there is some way I can help just leave me a message. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 192. Mon 2-17-92 12:44 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Spike Subject: [DHemp and the Military ALSO SEE: 190, 193. | I'm here stationed in the Air Force which means I can't participate in my | favorite part of the Hemp movement but I would like to lend my support any | way I could to help my buddies in the "WORLD". I'm originally from Oregon Actualy, the Military has always been one of the biggest hemp consumers. In fact our nations #1 war hero (the big Bush-man) owes his life to hemp. Both times he had to bail out of his plane, he floated safely to earth on a parachute made out of hemp. In fact, note just the chute, but the cords, and pack were also hemp. The time his plane caught fire on the flight deck, the hoses that put him and his plane out were made of hemp. The uniform that kept his equipment from getting shot off, was made out of hemp. There is a Propaganda film from WWII called "Hemp For Victory". The war department tried to claim that they never made any such film, but they were, of course, lieing. It's aimed at farmers, telling them how inportant it was to grow hemp (Note: they didn't call it Marajwan) for the war effort. If you want to see it, just stop by "Hemp Wear etc…" on Wadsworth and Mississippi. They might have a copy for sale, or you can plug it in and watch it there. Also, I've been in your postion. You can support the movement, you just can't smoke it. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 193. Mon 2-17-92 22:15 (RECV'D) From: Spike To: The Foad Subject: Hemp Wear etc… ALSO SEE: 192, 195. Tell me more about this Hemp Wear etc… store. You say on Wadsworth and Mississippi? I've seen several such item advertised in "High Times" are we talking about the same stuff here? -SPIKE- Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 194. Tue 2-18-92 14:42 From: M Man To: All Subject: PETITION DRIVE MEETING Hello fellow Hempsters! I want to let everyone know about an important meeting of B.H.I.P. which is coming up soon. On March 3 we will be having a petition information meeting. Folks from Denver will be coming up to talk about petition strategies and such. The estimate is that we need about 50 people to effectively cover the Boulder area. If anyone is from the area I urge you to come down and get involved. It is going to be hard work but also fun! The group is filled with good people but we definitely need more. March 3 (Tuesday) at 7:00PM in UMC rm 157A (around the corner from Quiglys) on the Boulder CU campus. Hope to see some of you there. Also if you are not from the Boulder area you can still get involved in your area. Contact the Hemp Inititive Project 470-1100 ext 511. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 195. Tue 2-18-92 17:11 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Spike Subject: Hemp Wear etc… ALSO SEE: 193, 202. Pretty much the same stuff. Plus they get in bulk cloth, and make alot of custom stuff. They have a lot of information too. Right now they are starting to catch a bunch of _hit abought thier products. Guess the powers that be couldn't find a legal way to mess with them, so they are putting pressure on the shopping center owners. Anyway, they got hemp shirts, bags, flags, keychains, and hakey sacs. Plus if you want something made, they will make it for ya. Not a thing that your CO can say about it. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 197. Wed 2-19-92 16:53 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Spike Subject: HEMP/DIR ALSO SEE: 190. Howdy, Spike…Welcome to the board….sorry it's taking me a little while to get around to saying HI, but things are a bit hectic for me of late… If you get a chance, visit HEMPware, etc, 1090 S Wadsworth, Unit D….lots of good products there…. Yeah, the military seems to take a dim view of a wonderful plant which has helped us through several wars…and, as a former sailor during 'Nam, I can vouch that the military was the #1 importer of the herb during that period….ships would return from S E Asia loaded with TONS of the stuff. Gotta Run, see ya… Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 198. Wed 2-19-92 16:59 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Petitioners!!! ALSO SEE: 199. A training class will be held for petitioners at HEMPware, etc 1090 S Wadsworth Unit D on Saturday, March 7 at 2 PM (thats 1400, Spike) to cover all the details of petitioning….if you can't make that date, just drop by the store, and Connie will train you individually. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 199. Wed 2-19-92 17:53 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Petitioners!!! ALSO SEE: 198. If anybody needs a ride to that class Saturday, leave me a message. We can ride over together. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 200. Wed 2-19-92 23:55 From: Hempman To: You Subject: hemp etc. and HEY! don't forget to blaze down to HempWare Etc.! 1090 S. Wadsworth Blv d. Suite D, Lakewood, Co. 80232. (n.e. corner of mississippi & Wadsworth) in the Villa South Shopping Center. [i hope that's not overkill, ohwell] pretty much there are only 3 things left to do: 1) register to vote 2) sign THE petition 3) collect signatures education is sometimes considered another goal, but is usually respected a s a constant, a given, a full-time job…. i tell you, that in '92, i wanna wipe my _ss with grass! that's right, EVERY grade of paper with less than 10% the chemicals used in paper-making w/trees,,, even butt-rags! more excellent, WORLDWIDE, hemp talk on NYX 871-4824 (7 bits, even parity). Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 202. Sat 2-22-92 24:30 (RECV'D) From: Spike To: The Foad Subject: Fuck the CO!!! ALSO SEE: 195, 205. I really don't give a shit what amnyone says. Actually I try to get in to it with as many people who will argue the point with me. I bring my HIGH TIMES in every month hoping that someone will challenge my right to read the mag. So far no luck, but most of the time the guys kinda get off on it. especcially the last issue, " How to roll a Blunt" Fuck em all is my attitude. I would really like to stay in for 20 years and collect my retirement, but my greatest goal in life is to simply live in the Oregon country side and grow excellent bud and one day be a leader in the revolution that will happen eventually. At that time we will have complete rights to do what ever we want with our own bodies. I guess that is my biggest problem with society at this point, What right does anyone have to tell another what they can or cannot do with there own body. Anarchy is the only way!!!!!! -SPIKE- Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 204. Sat 2-22-92 13:39 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Hittin' the Fan…. Come one, come all ….Monday, February 24 at HEMPware, etc. 1090 S Wadsworth, Unit D….Help Connie protest….her Store landlord wants to kick HEMPware out of the mall because she's convinced that hemp is an illegal substance (meaning shirts, oil, seed cake, etc.) Media will be on hand…C'mon down! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 205. Sun 2-23-92 14:02 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Spike Subject: Fuck the CO!!! ALSO SEE: 202. Shit, when I was in, I got nailed for having drug Paraphernalia in my desk. When I finaly got someone to tell me what the hell they were talking about, I found out they were talking about my "Freak Brothers" comics. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 206. Sun 2-23-92 21:17 From: Hempman To: you Subject: Hemp anyone? okay, here's something for those late nighters (or early morningers)! KOA everyday has public talk radio shows…. mon-fri 12am-5am sun 3:30am-4am the weekdays is your basic whatever-everyone-wants-to-talk-about program, and the topic follows the direction of each successive caller (unless ofcourse, the next caller returns the topic to HEMP!!). sunday is, i think, 'hit or miss', you have maybe 15 sec. to say anything you want and you can call as many times as you like as long as you keep getting through you can keep listing off statistics or whatever you want, even plugs for hempware, hemp hotline, petition classes, rallies, etc…. . these koa shows, i hear, are broadcast to about 38 states. THE #, 623-8585!!! i called during the Persian "War", and said we didn't need it, what we NEED ED to do was to relegalize, got only positive comebacks from around the country!!! i'll be calling tonight. . . . for the daytimers, KOOL 105 is doing something called T.I.T.T.S. (Taking i It To The Streets). the way this one works is that the public calls and leaves a message about their topic, the station tallies topic interest and then broadcastss the winning topic, listeners can now call in and voice their opinion on the topic, the station will then broadcast groups of opinions between songs. i recommend…..oh maybe…..HEMP!!!! yeah, everyone call in hemp everyday! also, i hear that the dj's on KOA are pro, and you would have good luck se tting up an interview with them! . Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 207. Sun 2-23-92 21:59 From: Hempman To: kindbud Subject: new world order in the misc. text file section, i have uploadedd some new world order zips , containing some 40 or 50 files about this new world order that connie has been freaked out about by that weird dude in colo. sprgs. when she had a booth down there last weekend. she asked me to find out about it and this is all i've heard about it, so i was wondering if you had a printer to print them up for her and get it to her….. . gotta go make some signs! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 208. Tue 2-25-92 12:44 From: The Foad To: All Subject: KOA ALSO SEE: 209. Yesterday was a good day for the Hemp movement. Connie's store (HEMPwear etc..) got exposure on both radio and tv. What started out as a consumer call to Tom Martineo, turned in to a great education spot. That lead to getting the lead story on that evenings News. No mention of the movement or the initiative, but at least a 100,000 people who didn't know that hemp has more than one use, now know better. Initaly, Tom didn't think the whole thing was for real, so we got an education pack over to him, which he opened and talked about on the air. That led to a news story on Channel 4. The lead story included a interview with Connie, several good examples of hemp products, and footage from "Hemp for Victory" (1942 Pro-Hemp USDA film) Also, I just want to say thanx to all the people who showed up for the big rally monday morning. ………… NOT!!!!!! Comon people, get off your butts and help out. We can sit here and jerk each other off on the BBS all day, and come Novemer we will still be going to jail for lighing and enjoying the herb. O2 producing trees will still be cut down at the rate of thousands of acers a day to make paper. We will still be using millions of gallons of toxic chemicals to grow cotton. And millions of gallions of even more toxic pesticides trying to kill off the ditch weed growing around the country, and to kill off the people who minght try and smoke it. Glocoma(sp?) sufferers will still be faced with a choice of going blind, or breaking the law. If you want change, you got to make change happen. Making excuses makes nothing happen. So you say you don't know what you can do to help. Well, first get registered to vote. It's not hard, takes no more than ten minutes. Sign the damm petition, YES your one single signature will count, and YES you vote will matter. Telling yourself otherwise is just a lazy cop-out. Call Connie at 935-6410, ask her what you can do. The poor woman is running herself ragged trying to get YOU the right to use hemp, without getting sent to jail and having all you belongings stolen by the government. Write letters to your state legislators. Tell them that not only do you want the law changed, you don't want them circumventing the peoples will after we get it changed. BUY and USE hemp products. I know they are more expensive, but every person wearing a hamp shirt, or using hemp flour, or any other hemp product is living, walking, indisputable proof that hemp is a better way. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 209. Tue 2-25-92 21:00 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: HEAR!HEAR!FOAD! ALSO SEE: 208, 241. I have more and more respect and admiration for Connie everyday! And she's really learning how to use the media….and GOD! how NICE the media is being to us! You couldn't BUY the kind of exposure she got yesterday… Martino's show is a BIG deal….lot's of people who would not ordinarily be exposed to hemp-truths got an earfull yesterday! But the Channel Four news at 10 PM!…I think they are the #1 news show in that time slot….I don't have any firm numbers, but I know that channel two's little piss-ant newscast at 9:30 gets 800,000! Last night at 10 PM, thanx to cable, Connie and Hemp were seen by close to Two Million people!!!!!(including Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, and ALL of Colorado!) And Hempman is right on the mark, too….let's all start calling the radio talk shows….when folks get the truth about hemp, it CHANGES them…and we are basically in a battle for people's minds. Gary Tessler will be resuming his talk show on KDEN 1470 AM…last week on KNUS, he made is clear that he is PRO-HEMP!….and he hadn't even read the EMPEROR at that point in time….he has since received his very own copy… Jack Herer is right….Colorado has the best chance of any state to legalize the bud in 1992! We can actually pull this off…the "opposition" just is NOT THERE! And the media is HELPING us…. We absolutely MUST NOT fk up this opportunity. HEMP FOR VICTORY!

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Msg No: 212.  Fri  2-28-92 21:08
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Petition time!

Time to put or shut up….time to get out and hit the bricks with our petition. To find out how to become a petitioner, call 470-1100 and punch in ext 555…free classes are being held in YOUR area. THis can really happen!…Colorado will become the first state to completely re-legalize/ re-commercial this useful plant in the last 50+ years.

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Msg No: 213.  Tue  3-03-92 18:41
  From: The Foad
    To: All

Subject: Day one and counting ALSO SEE: 214, 215.

Well, yesterday was the first day in the trenches. I must say it was interesting. I ended up skipping my classes and going after signatures. After six hours I had eighty seven names. Out of all the people I talked to, only three were negative. Shame I'm married. I found myself with more than one opportunity to strike up a really deep conversation with a really hot looking woman. Anyway, if the response that I got was any indication of what we face come November, we got it in. That is if we can get some more people up off their butts, and hit the pavement. One sour note. When you go out, be sure to wear a hat. (They will be getting hemp ball caps at HEMPwear etc.. next week) I once again got reminded that I'm a balding kind of guy. I burned the living -hit out of my bald spot.

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Msg No: 214.  Wed  3-04-92  7:45  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Day one and counting ALSO SEE: 213.

What area did you hit, Foad? Was it around Auraria? I am coming down off my mountain hideaway on Thurs to collect petitions….after testifying at the hearing on Connie's behalf. Looking forward to it.

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Msg No: 215.  Wed  3-04-92  7:53  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Day one and counting ALSO SEE: 213.

P.S. Yeah. Encountering 3 negative people all day is about what I've experienced when going public. The opposition is NOT THERE. People know this country has a lot of problems, and pot is not on the list. We are going to re-commercialize cannabis hemp in Colorado this year, and the anti-pot people are going to be sitting around wondering what the hell happened!

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Msg No: 216.  Wed  3-04-92  9:35
  From: Big Boy
    To: All

Subject: You finally got in print! ALSO SEE: 217.

Monday Mar. 2, 1992, Denver Post, 1B,2B: "Pro-hemp petitioners hit streets. Supporters hope to get issue on Nov. ballot." Good job. Reading the article, I can see yuse guys will have no trouble getting the signatures needed to get on the ballot from campus canvasers alone, but then after that it's a whole different ballgame, because the fatcats that come out against you will manipulate public opinion by calling you various labels, and you ain't financed well enough to get in the same media and call them names back…then there's them outright lies Nyuk Nyuk! Still, if you can get your word out grassroots style then the big papers and TV might not be able to manipulate opinion against you in the week before the election like the fatcats want. I recommend that your petitioners give out plenty of informative literature along the way, and you save up your pennies for at least one big half or full page ad in the 2 Denver papers right before the election, the day before Nyuk Nyuk! If your initiative gets voted down, though, don't give up hope, just learn how to win next time…time is definitely on your side. BTW, I logged onto Realm of Lost Souls (680-7688), and Twin Towers (934-1297), and saw a NORML forum, but I forgot which board it was on Nyuk Nyuk! You might also be thinking of the good ole American compromise, such as an initiative to legalize hemp for commercial purposes that don't include the little flowers in it Nyuk Nyuk!

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Msg No: 217.  Wed  3-04-92 16:56  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Big Boy

Subject: You finally got in print! ALSO SEE: 216.

Hemp is legal for commercial purposes. Only the flowers and leaves are ilegal. Kinda hard to grow the stalks without the leaves thou.

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Msg No: 218.  Fri  3-06-92 24:02  (RECV'D)
  From: Hempman
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: few negative responses

actually, i haven't had any negative responses when petitioning, if they'r e not positive responses (i.e. signatures, or those who run off to register), they are ignorant responses that are treated with some on-location education which produces one of the first two!

      always have some sorta flyer advertising hempware and/or the hemp

hotline, this is intensely quick and informative for them to find out EVERYTHING that is happening (when, where, how, why, which, etc…),

and if anyone has a roomy vehicle (a van?), consider scheduling rides to t he DMV for registerees, maybe ask for a buck from ea. person, i've asked those who need rides and they usually say HECK I'LL GIVE YOU $1 EACH WAY!

well, cruising around at work i found that repeteetive calls to radio stat ions does pay off! (educational harrassment?) after numerous calls to KRFX, the FOXX (103.5) has broken down into plugging the store, petition, and hotline…they even say "for more information, call us at the foxx"!!!

keep it up all!

      petition EVERYWHERE! cafes, restaraunts, theaters, campuses,

door-to-door neighborhoods/apartment complexes, libraries, concerts, DMV's, etc………..the greatness of petitioning is that it can be done 24HRS. A DAY! relegalization by realization that it's the pollution solution!

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Msg No: 219.  Fri  3-06-92 21:55
  From: Adam Selene
    To: All

Subject: Wyoming ALSO SEE: 221, 222.

From the ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS…"A measure acknowledging marijuana has medicinal uses was killed Tuesday in a Wyoming Senate committee by senators believing it would send the 'wrong message.'" It doesn't specify what the "wrong message' is; infer your own.

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Msg No: 220.  Sat  3-07-92 21:57
  From: Mongo Stack
    To: Skeeter Blades

Subject: Turn 'em n Burn 'em ALSO SEE: 178.

Amazing, but the evil THEY do not, in fact, know the law. If you read about the bust recently that was baited with tennis shoes, a friend of ours showed up with a copy of the bogus "award letter" (it was his brother's) and got busted for impersonation (felony)! This cats heinous crime was being one month late with his child support. Any how, our pal refused to give his driver's license, so the boys claimed they'd hold him forever and thirteen years after that! Our other pal, Sensai JM came with him, and the boys were going to bust him too, even though he wasn't on the list, but when they searched him found him wired for sound! The boys decided it would be in their best interest to let JM go, oddly enough….meanwhile, holding our pal "forever" turned out to be two days. The police report was a real hoot…"suspect cited legal decisions and threatened litigation…arrested for obstructing an officer…"blah blah blah. So those naughty statists become the victim of a Title 42 suit for $100,000 as of Tuesday…..har har! Turn 'em 'n' Burn 'em! Ciao.

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Msg No: 221.  Sun  3-08-92  1:58  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Adam Selene

Subject: Wyoming ALSO SEE: 219.

Sounds good. Come January they can just drive down to Denver. That there Wyoming money spends just ducky down here.

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Msg No: 222.  Wed  3-11-92 13:04  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Adam Selene

Subject: Wyoming ALSO SEE: 219.

The wrong message is:"Hey, we've been lying to you yokels for 53 years, and we'll keep doing so in order to keep our phoney-baloney jobs."

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Msg No: 223.  Wed  3-11-92 17:30
  From: The Foad
    To: All

Subject: ASCII

Does anybody have the text of the initiative in an ascii file? I got a couple of boards wanting it, an I don't want to type it all.

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Msg No: 226.  Fri  3-13-92 11:43
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: it's amazing…

If at all possible, try to talk to at least 4 people a day, and give them the truth about hemp…I bumped into a stranger over the weekend, and the first thing I asked was:"Are you a registered voter?" He said he was and I proceeded to lay the hemp info on him…..as I did, I saw the "light of knowledge" spark to life in his eyes….he called me yesterday and told me that he's now converted 26 people, including a religious family, and they're now on the hemp-bandwagon….this guy is fired up and will be a real asset to the movement…never pass up an opportunity to tell someone about the hemp initiative…you never know what you might be starting.

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Msg No: 227.  Tue  3-17-92  3:08
  From: Cyberskunk Jones
    To: All

Subject: Aesop's Fable

The Swallow and the Other Birds (Aesop, 550 BC) It happened that a Countryman was sowing some hemp seeds in a field where a Swallow and some other birds were hopping about picking up their food. "Beware of that man," quoth the Swallow. "Why, what is he doing?" said the others. "That is the hemp seed he is sowing; be careful to pick up every one of the seeds, or else you will repent it." The birds paid no heed to the Swallow's words, and by the time the hemp grew up and was made into cord, and of the cord nets were made, and many a bird that had despised the Swallow's advice was caught in nets made out of that very hemp. "What did I tell you?" said the Swallow. DESTROY THE SEEDS OF EVIL, OR IT WILL GROW UP TO YOUR RUIN.

  1. – Aesop

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Msg No: 228.  Tue  3-17-92  3:43  (RECV'D)
  From: Cyberskunk Jones
    To: Big Boy

Subject: Hemp and CO2 ALSO SEE: 131.

Burning methanol (in place of gasoline) emits one third the CO2 as does petroleum. Using hemp to make methanol is the best idea because of hemp's high yeild of cellulose, the basis of methanol fuel. Hemp seed oil, used in a Diesel motor, would have a different emission level, unknown to me. But methanol has one third the CO2 as does gasoline. Of course, methanol would be a transitional fuel moving toward hydrogen/solar, or some other low-impact renewable resource. Also, the argument for hemp takes on a greater importance in light of what some have called "Global Supercrisis." To some of us tree-huggers it's obvious, but there are a whole lot of problems in a whole lot of areas – all coming together into a big threat to our continued survival as a civilization and perhaps as a species. The greenhouse effect, ozone/chlorine cycle, and toxic waste are three global aspects to this "Supercrisis." There are many more aspects, each as potentially devastating. Economics, politics, and social values are all bound up together in this Supercrisis; it's not just an "environmental" thing. The reason I'm hammering this point in is because HEMP, if used properly and used immediately, is capable of solving so many (if not all) of our problems. The figure quoted earlier, $500 Billion, may seem like an underestimate in a future socioeconomic system based on hemp to the extent to which our today is based on petroleum. This is not only possible, there are many of us who are starting to think it's imperative.

ALSO:  All the hemp feilds and ever-regenerating forests worldwide would 

act as CO2 "sinks," trapping vast quantities of CO2 in their lifespans. Also, the oceans would continue to contain plankton and other organisms which would continue to absorb CO2, instead of potentially depleting by orders of nagnitude because of the synergism of oceanwater toxicity, degenerating ozonosphere, and possible temperature changes. In order to stop the chlorine cycle and head off ozone destruction a century from now (one molecule of chlorine destroys 100,000 molecules of ozone in a hundred -year cycle) we need to stop using the stuff to make paper. In order to stop deforestation, one of the things we need to do is stop cutting down trees for paper products. Here, as well as everywhere else, hemp is the common-sense choice for saving the Earth.

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Msg No: 229.  Tue  3-17-92 20:46
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Hunter Thompson Signs…. ALSO SEE: 230.

Last Saturday, March 14, Gonzo journalist Hunter Thompson signed the Hemp Initiative Petition in front of a large group he was addressing…he took a moment to explain the importance of the Hemp Initiative, and then cerimoniously added his signature.

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Msg No: 230.  Tue  3-17-92 21:32  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Hunter Thompson Signs…. ALSO SEE: 229, 232.

Glad to hear it. I tried to get us inside, to set up a table in the lobby, in fact I did get us in, but two days before hand, I got a call telling me that they had changed their mind. I wasn't so much pissed as saddened. But I am glad that sombody got in. Although I'm kinda pissed it wasn't me. Gotta quit being so damm competitive about this.

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Msg No: 231.  Thu  3-19-92 13:39  (RECV'D)
  From: Jeff Dehaven
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: …umm, let me….uh….I….. ALSO SEE: 39, 233.

I am responding to a VERY old message of yours, I am a new user on this board and didn't feel like reading All the way up to message 200 something without asking this- The information you have displayed on this sub is very informative- I am also pro legalization, and I was wondering if there is any way to get ahold of all this information that you have- is there some book or is it just an immense collection of studies? And I must say it is good to have someone with real facts on our side- keep up the good work, and I back ya 100%!

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Msg No: 232.  Fri  3-20-92  7:12  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Hunter Thompson Signs…. ALSO SEE: 230, 235.

Nothing wrong with being competitive about this….any one of us would have loved to get Hunter's signature….I hear there were at least five petitioners in the meeting…..just luck as to who got to him first…

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Msg No: 233.  Fri  3-20-92  7:14  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Jeff Dehaven

Subject: Welcome to the Board… ALSO SEE: 231, 234.

High, Jeff! The definitive book on the subject is "The Emperor Wears No Clothes," by Jack Herer….about 200 pages, half of which is footnotes/ documentation….blows the lid off the marijuana conspiracy which is bigger than BCCI and the S & L scandal put together…the book is available at HEMPwear, etc, 1090 S Wadsworth, Unit D. This store has a lot of fine hemp products such as cloth and clothing, hemp-seed oil and hemp-seed cake, (including hemp-seed cake granola bars) and lots of printed info. HEMPware, etc is going to be moving soon to a new 4000 sq foot space near Alameda & Sheridan…..more info on this as it developes. THE EMPEROR is also available at The Tattered Cover bookstore….as of last night they only had one copy left…it sells fast. The Denver Public Library also has four copies, which are ALWAYS out….probably quite a waiting list,too. Also, call our FREE Hempline: 470-1100…..from a touch-tone phone…it's all recorded hemp information….ext 477 is a 10 minute recording of Hugh Downs' ABC 20/20 piece on hemp as the earth's number one producer of paper, fiber, fuel, food, medicine, etc….The Hempline also has info on how to register to vote, where to find a petition to sign, and how to become a petitioner. The opposition has yet to rear it's ugly head, and it's starting to look as if we have a real chance to re-commercialize hemp in Colorado THIS YEAR….A recent NewsCenter 4 poll showed 64% in favor at this time!

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Msg No: 235.  Mon  3-23-92 15:33  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Hunter Thompson Signs…. ALSO SEE: 232, 238.

Actualy I took a friend to the "Shakedown Street" concert at the Buffalo Rose that night. The band invited me to come out and do some petitioning durring their show. It was really cool, got in without paying the cover and got almost a full packet of signatures. We just sat up front and the band would plug us every few songs.

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Msg No: 236.  Mon  3-23-92 20:22
  From: The Foad
    To: All

Subject: stray thoughts

Since most of is would agree that cocaine is not a nice drug, and some of us might agree with the government that it should be against the law….. How come only cocaine is illegal, but not the rest of the Coco plant? After all, hemp is bad if you smoke it (supposedly), so the whole plant is illegal, including the hemp that was grown for commercial usee and had virtualy no smoakable parts.

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Msg No: 237.  Mon  3-23-92 22:19  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Jeff Dehaven

Subject: Hugh Downs ALSO SEE: 234, 240.

Yeah, that Hugh Downs piece is really powerful stuff for converting the unbeliever….give out the 470-1100 number to EVERYONE….write it on bathroom walls….yell it from the rooftops. See Ya…

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Msg No: 238.  Mon  3-23-92 22:22  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Concerts! Yeah! ALSO SEE: 235.

Outstanding info….I think we'll get a lot of help from bands in the area….Keep up the good work!

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Msg No: 239.  Mon  3-23-92 22:23
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: D.A.R.E. lies…

For all concerned parents who have kids who are being subjected to the lies and disinformation of the insidous D.A.R.E./Nazi machine, I have U/L'd DARE.TXT….it helps teach kids the TRUTH about hemp. I think it is well written and has a lot of info which they can understand.

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Msg No: 240.  Wed  3-25-92 24:08  (RECV'D)
  From: Jeff Dehaven
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Hugh Downs ALSO SEE: 237.

Yhea- Ive been posting it around and telling people I know to call it- its "converted" a few nonbelievers- the quest continues…

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Msg No: 241.  Wed  3-25-92 24:11  (RECV'D)
  From: Jeff Dehaven
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: HEAR!HEAR!FOAD! ALSO SEE: 209, 243.

Channel 4 is one of the top- and with Hemp publicity comes controversy, and with controversy comes National News- and hopefully if the National News gets it one day, then the REAL facts will have to be presented… But butting up against government bullshit and industries billions of dollars in no small task- but hopefully if at least colorado gets the thumbs up for legalization, other states will take a second look!

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Msg No: 242.  Thu  3-26-92 24:58
  From: Hempman
    To: All

Subject: movement stuff

come all ye petitioners and kind rainbow brothers & sisters to the

      RAINBOW GATHERING BENEFIT at the
      MERCURY CAFE on
      APRIL 12 at
      7:00pm with
      SHAKEDOWN ST. & THE ROCK-0-FELLERS!

also, hit the DENVER COLISEUM for the POW-WOW which happens all weekend lo ng (THIS weekend), and petition at CURRIGAN HALL for the Rocky Mtn. Homebuilders Assoc. Expo. (for layman signatures, you know: painters, construction, framers, drywallers, electricians….in other words pot smokers@!!!).

at the kazy expo, we filled at least ten petitions (including the st pat

rick's parade [but mostly the expo]), all you need to do is hit these events and it happens really smoothly like.

      i am finally back up, and will asap have an ascii of the petition, but 

for now, i will u/l a pic. "i grew hemp"!! dig it!

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Msg No: 243.  Thu  3-26-92  8:26  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Jeff Dehaven

Subject: Keep Crankin' ALSO SEE: 241, 246.

We're about to start our blitz campaign of FAX'd newsreleases to ABC/CBS/ NBC/CNN/MacNeil-Lehrer/Larry King, etc. Larry King is for across the board drug re-legalization, because it makes sense. Although the loyal opposition has been quiet, I have noticed that Partnership for a Drug Free America is concentrating on marijuana in their ads for this region. Fortunately, I don't think they realize that everyone's laughing at them.

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Msg No: 245.  Thu  3-26-92  8:33
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Annecdote….

The following inspirational story was told to me by The Foad….I'll try to get it right as I relate it here: After the St. Patty's Day Parade, an elderly Jewish gentleman went to HEMPware, etc.,….He'd previously been "anti-drug", but at the parade he was shaken by a sight: Black-shirted D.A.R.E. kids marching is strict formation being "directed" by a rather harsh woman with a bull-horn… he said that the sight reminded him so much of Germany in the '30s that he did a complete about face. HE SIGNED THE PETITION! … This thing is bigger than I'd thought it would ever be. Wing-tipped conservative business-persons are coming out of the cannabis closet to offer office space, advertising space, financial support, etc. MJ prohibition is gonna go, and it's gonna go BIGTIME.

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Msg No: 246.  Fri  3-27-92 21:44  (RECV'D)
  From: Jeff Dehaven
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Keep Crankin' ALSO SEE: 243, 251.

Good plan- Are the Fax's going to be facts and information for legalization or just how far colorado is doing so far, or both?

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Msg No: 247.  Fri  3-27-92 21:48  (RECV'D)
  From: Jeff Dehaven
    To: The Foad

Subject: HEy!

Just thought I'd drop a note saying Good luck with more signee's and I'll hopefully see ya down at CCD again. Ive told a few people about it and they're ready to sign!

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Msg No: 248.  Sat  3-28-92 14:16
  From: Dwarfo Suedomsa
    To: Whoever

Subject: Hemp products ALSO SEE: 249, 253.

Got a question. If all hemp products are illegal haow can that hemp store sell the clothes and food and such? Also, while I c am against legalizati on you people seem to be doing a bang up job. Keep up the good work.

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Msg No: 249.  Sun  3-29-92 11:30  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Dwarfo Suedomsa

Subject: Hemp products ALSO SEE: 248, 250.

To really over-simplfy and ultra-nutshell an answer to your question…. It is only illegal to possess the female buds and leaves. It is illegal to grow the plant in this country. But if the plant is grown and made into cloth/paper elswhere and then imported, then it's okay.

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Msg No: 250.  Sun  3-29-92 21:26  (RECV'D)
  From: Dwarfo Suedomsa
    To: The Foad

Subject: Hemp products ALSO SEE: 249, 254.

Thank you. Very consise.

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Msg No: 251.  Tue  3-31-92  7:03  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Jeff Dehaven

Subject: fax's ALSO SEE: 246.

They'll be both, and anything else that we can put together to get press.

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Msg No: 252.  Tue  3-31-92  7:05
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Heard through the hempvine… ALSO SEE: 255, 257.

…that in addition to France, Spain, Denmark, Yugoslavia, Czechoslavakia, China, and Tazmania, we can now add Russia to our budding (no pun) list of hemp cultivating nations…I recall that last year, they met with John Bierenbach of the Institute for Hemp in St. Paul….they were attempting to RElearn the harvesting/pulping methods….in the last century, Russia produced 80% of the world's hemp…Napolean invaded Russia to cut off England's hemp supply, in an attempt to cripple her navy…would have worked too, if it weren't for good old American smugglers…

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Msg No: 253.  Tue  3-31-92  7:11  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Dwarfo Suedomsa

Subject: Hemp products ALSO SEE: 248, 259.

…I'd only add that the raw, sterilized seeds may be imported and rendered into oils/seed cake here… BTW, just curious…..why are you against re-legalization?

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Msg No: 254.  Tue  3-31-92 17:27  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Dwarfo Suedomsa

Subject: Hemp products ALSO SEE: 250, 256, 260.

Thank you, but not only is it very consise, it's very, very, very stupid. A few weeks ago, Germany struck down all it's drug laws. Now, there are a number of mills "retooling" thruough out Germany. Guess who is going to be exporting a whole shitload of eco-safe, high quality, and durable cloth and paper. Why the hell are we hanging on to these stupid outdated concepts that tell us it's unhealthy to smoke a dobbie, there for we have to drink dioxon in our water. To keep people from sucking on a bong, we have cut down 2/3 of all the forests in the world. Because somebody might get high for a few minutes, we destroy our enviorment drilling and trasporting oil, rather than let our farmers grow what we need, WHERE we need it. For fear that somebody, somewhere, might have a good time ( or even screw up their life, but hell, that's there right) we refuse Glocomia sufferers the ONLY thing proven to ease their suffering. We keep AIDS patients from a safe, natural, appetite restorer. We force cancer patients to endure even more suffering. All because of this bill of goods that we've been sold over the last 50 years. Well, wake up people. YOU WERE LIED TO!!! Don't get angry at the people trying to tell you the truth, get really pissed at those who lied to you!

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Msg No: 255.  Tue  3-31-92 17:43  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Heard through the hempvine… ALSO SEE: 252, 258, 261.

Looks like it's time to get on the bandwagon before it runs us over.

Has anybody else noticed the virtual news black-out from Europe? COuld be that things are going better with the re-legalization that our keepers would like us to know.

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Msg No: 256.  Wed  4-01-92  1:32  (RECV'D)
  From: Cyberskunk Jones
    To: The Foad

Subject: Hemp products ALSO SEE: 254, 262.

I liked that diatribe! I'm beginning to see hemp as a "keystone" element which is needed now to support the arch of civilization, threatening collapse. Hemp is Right, hemp is Moral, in the very highest sense, both utilitarian and deontological. Blah blah blah – it's the right thing to do. Information is the only weapon hemp-o-philes have against all the money, rules, and enemies of The People who are anti-hemp for whatever reasons. Information: education, Truth-telling, ready facts, and just the whole rap what gives the Hemp Movement power: but it must be scholarly information, as Jack Herer has presented, all mucho well-documented and readily available. The media says: ". . . which they say can replace petroleum. . . " or somesuch bombastic claims. The facts are there, in theory and in big, round numbers, but it must be quantified, and if it really is, then folk need to see it point blank. This ever-increasing information has been spread all around the country heavily in the last couple of years, and it's obvious that this country is at least ambivalent on the issue, even though the third of Coloradoans who toke is like one third of the total population – a political majority. This is strange, and I wonder what really holds people back who know friends who smoke, and tolerate it, but won't lift a pen to advocate what's right. This country was built on hemp, by people who had little else but hemp and horses to base a technology on before the age of steam. To reclaim hemp for America is not only one of the most patriotic things we can do, but also one of the very best (probably crucial) things we can do, right now, for our planet. People who don't support hemp, I belive, are sort of hurting the Earth all that much more, stealing from our great-grandchildren. Stealing their WORLD from them, and we laugh about it. My heart does not bleed, Sirs, but my mind is strong enough to discern what is right from inculturated balderdash.

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Msg No: 257.  Wed  4-01-92 23:54  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Heard through the hempvine… ALSO SEE: 252, 263.

From what we've heard from John about his meeting with the Russians, they have been growing it all along, and in fact, were talking about making "pressed hemp" furniture. They didn't know about paper, but were going back to get started on producing it ASAP.

 The latest news from the European Parliament is that they are against

prohibition and in favor of hemp for industrial uses and that drug addiction should be treated as a medical problem. Sounds like they got it together, huh?

                                 the dr.

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Msg No: 258.  Thu  4-02-92 24:01  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: The Foad

Subject: Heard through the hempvine… ALSO SEE: 255.

That's exactly what's going on. Europe recognizes that the drug war doesn't work and are talking alternatives. They want the farmers to benefit from the industrial uses of the plant. Why should they continnue to waste billions of dollars on enforcement when they could make billions if it were legal? Our Radical Letter was full of it… we also heard that Amsterdam is subsidizing hemp farmers to grow hemp for industrial purposes. Of course, the farmers discovered a way to process the "leftovers" into hash and it started a bunch of people complaining abut the government "subsidizing" drugs, but the govt said they would continue to subsidize hemp production and praised the farmers for being so resourceful with their recycling efforts. Neat huh?

                                     the dr.

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Msg No: 261.  Thu  4-02-92  8:55  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Being a hermit…. ALSO SEE: 255, 267.

I'm a little out of touch with some news….what's going on in Germany/ Europe??!!!

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Msg No: 262.  Thu  4-02-92  8:58  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Cyberskunk Jones

Subject: Hemp products ALSO SEE: 256.

You're note was so truthful and beautiful that, verily, I wept.

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Msg No: 263.  Thu  4-02-92  9:00  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: Heard through the hempvine… ALSO SEE: 257.

Blessed Be!

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Msg No: 267.  Thu  4-02-92 19:04  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Being a hermit…. ALSO SEE: 261, 270.

It be legal over there. And they are getting ready to make things out of it. And then they are going to sell them to us. And then they are going to buy the World Trade Center. ect…

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Msg No: 268.  Fri  4-03-92  2:32  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: hemp oil ALSO SEE: 271.

We got an interesting call today from an energy company in Southwest Texas wanting to know if they could get information on hemp oil as a viable energy source – BTU ratings, consumption, etc. I sent them to John because they want some hemp oil to test. Also gave him an hour historical hemp lesson. He was a hemp virgin, so I hempnotized him. I gave him data from our hempstorian and am thoroughly convinced that he's not one of those hempophobic maramoonies. Time will tell.

      Law is blind.  Justice will out.
                                        the dr.

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Msg No: 270.  Fri  4-03-92  6:03  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: The Foad

Subject: Being a hermit…. ALSO SEE: 267.

damn.

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Msg No: 271.  Fri  4-03-92  6:05  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: hemp oil ALSO SEE: 268, 272.

Outstanding….Another source hemp-seed oil is here in Colorado….call 470-1100 ext 711. I'm hempnotized!

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Msg No: 273.  Sat  4-04-92 12:08
  From: Hempman
    To: Anyone Who Has A Clue

Subject: hash bash 92 ALSO SEE: 274.

when is this most festive event? or did i miss it again? emergency! hemp me! hemp! he! !

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Msg No: 274.  Sun  4-05-92  1:33  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: Hempman

Subject: hash bash 92 ALSO SEE: 273, 275.

I think you missed it again. Was today… oh, well. for the latest info, Elvy got Freedom Fighter of the Year 1992. Was cold and rainy, but still had around 4000 people show up. The police were a real hassle, confiscating goods that activists had for sale. Vicki Linker even got hauled away with her goods. maybe you'll make it next year… they voted to have it the first weekend in May… we'll see…

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Msg No: 275.  Sun  4-05-92  8:49  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: hash bash 92 ALSO SEE: 274, 276, 277.

We had nothing special planned for the 4th…our petition drive is in full swing, however….over 1,000 petitions in the field, with new petitioners being trained every day…..Glad to hear about Elvy…..and sorry to hear about the cops…..the goods you mentioned….I assume copies of "The Emperor…", hemp bracelets, etc?….Later. KB

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Msg No: 281.  Wed  4-08-92  9:30  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: The Foad

Subject: Hemp Initiative Petition

I never got it, so if you got one, u/l it.

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Msg No: 282.  Sat  4-11-92 12:08
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Petitions ALSO SEE: 283.

The following Colorado Stores have the petition available for signing. Gallery NuVo 1010 S Gaylord Denver Johnny's Newstand 1555 Champa Street Denver A-Vitamin Store 302 S. Broadway Denver A-Vitamin Store 508 E. Colfax Denver Bill's Grocery Art 3438 Downing Denver Mother's Cafe 1333 Broadway, Suite 118 Boulder Offbeat Records 5692 S. Cedar Littleton C.J.'s Records 4361 S. Broadway Englewood The Energy Store 802 E. Fillmore Colo. Springs Summit Records 208 N. Main Street Gunnison Tomboy Tattoos 756 North Ave Grand Junction Butterhorn Bakery 408 Main Frisco … You know what to do.

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Msg No: 285.  Tue  4-14-92  3:51  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Atlanta Pot Festival ALSO SEE: 287.

Just got our report in tonight from Ohio NORML about the Atlanta

festival. Said it was reminiscent of the 60's and the press wrote it up that way, too… was a bigggg event… more than 50,000 people, he called it the biggest pot rally in the history of the country, and i can believe it. More and more people are becoming aware of the benefits of hemp and are willing to speak out… sometimes, when talking to politicians, it may seem like we're getting nowhere fast, but we are making a difference. We're getting lots of calls from local people wanting to know how to join our organization now. They're tired of the repressive laws and see more and more people getting hurt by them.

 Keep up the good work with your petitions... look forward to further

progress reports soon.

                             the dr.

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Msg No: 286.  Tue  4-14-92  7:48
  From: Big Boy
    To: All

Subject: Communique from Dr. Hemp

I got this post from Dr. Hemp of Maryland, so I'll share it with you all:

Heard from Casper today that they're almost ready to release the new "Hemp Chronicles", which is a revamping of "Time 4 Hemp." They are doing a special introductory offer of 1000 numbered tape/t-shirt combinations as collectors editions dedicated to the 400 activists that have helped them continue through it all. The introductory price is $26.95 + $2.90 S&H. After this time, all other tapes/t-shirts will be $31.95 + S&H, unless you are active at gettng them shown on cable access, in which case the price will remain the same. For people that only want either the t-shirt or a tape, the prices will be $17.76 for a t-shirt and $19.37 for a tape. Prices look familiar??? If you want more info, you can call him direct at 1-800-882-3317. He wants as many people as possible to get the word.. the tapes go out to activists on May 8th and to the general public on May 20th. I don't know if you can put this up on the board, which is why I'm leaving the message here for ya… I leave it to your discretion, but if you could pass it along, would be gratefully appreciated.

                                  the dr.

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Msg No: 290.  Wed  4-22-92 22:44
  From: The Foad
    To: All

Subject: BIG Hemp Rally ALSO SEE: 291, 314.

This Friday, April 24, we are having a Major Hemp rally. There will be music, speakers, vendors, product demonstrations, and a BAKE SALE of yummies made from HEMP. (Had to fight like hell to pull that off)

It will be on the Auraria Campus, by the student union, from 1 to 5.

In addion to the speakers, we will be alowing a generous amount ov open-mic time. That is when ANYBODY may get up and speak, be they for or against Hemp RE-Legalization.

If you think that you know all there is to know about Hemp, and there is no more you can learn, you are wrong. If you think you can't make a difference in this movement, you are right! You have to want, and belive that you can make a difference, in order to be able to make a change. I'm not taking the namby pamby aproach any more (it has been pointed out to me that I never have). I am sick of all the loser jerk-offs out there that are too lazy or (this really pisses me off) too scared to stand up and be counted. And to be real frank, it chaffes my butt that the lazy and scared are going to benifit as much or even more than the ones of us who are busting our butts. Were it up to me, they would some how be writen out, But it's not, so I just have to live with it.

That said, Show up at the DAMM RALLY! We need you, each and every one of you, to be there, show your support, look good for the media, and just have a good time.

The Foad

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Msg No: 292.  Fri  4-24-92  2:22
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: All

Subject: bad news ALSO SEE: 294.

we got word today from several sources that Kentucky has made all hemp products illegal. We have been trying to reach the CAN gang, but no one is answering their phone. We haven't been able to get in touch with Gatewood either. Wonder what he plans to do about Gatewoodstock… It's a real blow to the movement that a state can be so paranoid about a plant that it makes all the beneficial products illegal as well just so people aren't getting the "wrong message." How many more legislators will be convinced about this?

We have personal experience of this, on a local level. Our oldest daughter, who was taken by the state a year and a half ago had all her hemp twine taken away, as well as the bracelets, necklace and anklet she had been given by her brothers and sisters. The social worker said it was because she "might get high" working with the twine, and it did have such a relaxing effect to sit around and braid bracelets… And of course, it had to be the effect of the "marijuana" she was working with, not the fact that braiding bracelets can be very relaxing. Comes with keeping your hands busy and your mind free to wander…

If you hear any more about this, please let us know. thanks.

                                      the dr.

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Msg No: 294.  Fri  4-24-92  9:42  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: bad news ALSO SEE: 292, 296.

I gotta totaly disagree with you there my friend. It's GOOD NEWS. Everytime they do something like that, more people open their eyes. More poeple get fed up and decide that it is time to do something.

Besides, that there Kentucky money spends just fine here in Colorado. v The Foad

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Msg No: 295.  Fri  4-24-92  9:45
  From: The Foad
    To: All

Subject: Rocky Mount News

Sometime in the next three days I will have my letter opposing David Cox, the President of Colorado DARE officers, printed in the RMN. The moral is… You can get your Pro-Hemp Letters printed. You CAN be heard. If I am still here next week, you can, for the time being anyway, speak up without getting "Dissapeared."

The Foad (Bradley Edison, for those of you that want to read my letter)

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Msg No: 297.  Fri  4-24-92 18:38
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: All

Subject: Kentucky

With Kentucky passing a law against hemp products, it means the only "paper" Kentuckyians will be allowed will be "pay per" view.

      The law makes the Kentucky Constitution (1890) the first document

ruled illegal because of the paper it's written on!

                                     the dr.

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Msg No: 298.  Fri  4-24-92 18:39  (NO KILL)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: All

Subject: Operation "Smokescreen" ALSO SEE: 299.

      DEA Operation "Smokescreen" came down in Indiana with a bang.  Circle

City Hydroponics was an undercover DEA operation selling growing equipment. They claim to have advertised in "High Times", which High Times says they did not do. The most recent information we have gotten is that there were 40 arrests in an operation that involved 400 Indiana police and 600 National Guard. It's being touted as the largest state police operation to date.

                                  the dr.

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Msg No: 299.  Sat  4-25-92  5:19  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: Operation "Smokescreen" ALSO SEE: 298, 300.

National Guard…….Hmmmmmmm…… I could have sworn that the US Constitution forbids the use of the military in civilian law inforcement.

The Foad

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Msg No: 301.  Sat  4-25-92 21:05
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: All

Subject: War?

Have you guys heard about the DEA surveillance plane that was shot upon by a Peruvian military plane? Our PBS station has been broadcasting reports for the last couple hours. Seems now that one crewman is missing and two were injured. It was flying "off course" and did not respond with radioed by the Peruvian planes. Very interesting…..

                                      the dr

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Msg No: 313.  Fri  5-01-92  3:32
  From: Hempman
    To: All

Subject: petitioning ALSO SEE: 315.

      get out to the rodney king rallies for to shout & tout HEMP!!!

make signs, take flyers, and break out your petitions.

      it'sa free rally spot.

i here and now declare that all rodney king rallies become HEMP GATHERINGS.

      riots are breaking out all over the country, the problem is that the

people are fighting the people! we need to remind the people that the government is the enemy! NOT THE PEOPLE! . leave to the potsmokers to straighten shit out. . . notice: abortion rallies result in violence! gay/lesbian rallies result in violence!

              race rallies result in violence!
                war rallies result in violence!

MARIJUANA rallies result in PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! . potheads don't riot………..they smokem' peace pipe and be mellow! groove in the sun and be happy! . hmmmm, if only the national guard dusted L.A. with pot smoke! . . . oddly enough nobody had blown up gov't. buildings (nat'l., state, county, city,,,). . i heard that this shit has spread into Van Nuys, how's Jack (H.E.M.P.) hanging with it? . rodney king verdict……………….the hair that broke the camel's back! . tomorrow at your state capitol/university…..GO PETITION!!!!!!!!!! . later daze!

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Msg No: 315.  Tue  5-05-92 15:41  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: Hempman

Subject: petitioning ALSO SEE: 313.

      We've been in touch with friends in LA and the word we're getting back 

is that the whole thing was staged. One fireman reported that big men in big cars with big guns stopped by a fire and told him to "let it burn." We've also noticed that the arsonists that were caught by the firemen were white, not black. The word is that it was all planned and further proof is that Darryl Gates predicted it before the verdict even came in. Need more?

                                      the dr.

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Msg No: 316.  Tue  5-05-92 15:43  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: The Foad

Subject: JFK and Bush

we came across an article in The Zenger that talked about Cassalero, the reporter that was "suicided" in West Virginia last year when he was investigating the Justice Department in the INSLAW affair. The things that he came up with could have pointed more than one finger at Bush. They even talk about an FBI document that proves Bush was involved with the CIA as long ago as 1963 with the Kennedy assassination coverup. Both aBush and Nixon were in Dallas that day! check for the file. I'm u/l it today, so it just depends on when big boy gets it posted. you might like what you read. If so, it also tells you where you can subscribe to the Zenger if you don't already.

                                      the dr.

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Msg No: 317.  Sun  5-10-92 13:21  (RECV'D)
  From: Love Muffins
    To: The Foad

Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 8, 318.

I would agree that children won't turn their parents in on drug charges (minor ones) unless persuaded. However, I don't think it's only Officer Friendly from the DARE program. When you and I were growing up, we didn't have the same programs, etc. By the time a kid is 5 or 6, he or she knows that smoking, drinking and drugs are wrong. It's not because of DARE … they might not even be in school yet. Have you sat down and watched Saturday morning cartoons lately? There are commercials every half hour telling kids not to do drugs, etc. I think those commercials are ok. It's the programs that use cartoon spokesmen that I oppose. MacGruff for instance. MacGruff tells kids that they should turn in anyone they see doing or selling drugs. Normally I would say that's great … if they're smoking or selling in public then they're stupid enough to be caught! However, MacGruff doesn't tell kids that there's a stopping line. I don't know if it can be done. How do you tell a 6-year-old that he should turn in people smoking pot unless it's a family member? Can you?

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Msg No: 318.  Tue  5-12-92 14:36  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Love Muffins

Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 317, 319.

Easy. I tell my six year old that there is nothing wrong with an ADULT making a GROWNUP choice to smoke Hemp. So it dosen't matter if it's a family member or a next door neighbor, neither one should be turned into the State.

The Foad

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Msg No: 319.  Tue  5-12-92 18:05  (RECV'D)
  From: Love Muffins
    To: The Foad

Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 318, 320.

I don't know how to quote … but you said to tell the kid that there's noting wrong with an ADULT making a GROWNUP choice. I say … OK! Good idea.

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Msg No: 320.  Wed  5-13-92 15:42  (RECV'D)
  From: The Foad
    To: Love Muffins

Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 319, 323.

Hit return on a blank line, then at the menu, hit "R". It will ask you the message number you want to quote from. Took me a long time to figure it out. In fact, I think BB had to pop in and show me.

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Msg No: 321.  Wed  5-13-92 21:22
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: All

Subject: Georgie Porgy Pie in the Sky ALSO SEE: 322.

Georgie Porgy Bushin' around Ruled the world and made them frown And when the Blacks came out to play, Georgie Porgy ran away.

Georgie Bushy Foolin' around Started a war that made us frown Took the cash and took our hash Now it's time to start the Bash!

Georgie Porgy Broccoli or die Food and life come from the sky Give us back our water and air Bury Gates and with him D.A.R.E. The life you live is not your own So if you can't fix it, Runaway home.

George Bush came to town today and his motorcade went by less than a block from our house. I tried to protest it with my hemp sign, but the cops made me move, so I sat on our front steps with the sign leaning up against the house where all the traffic that was rerouted could see it! He was here to visit a Hopkins health center and a local high school, both within 10 blocks of us. The health center set out a healthy feast for him, and lo and behold, they included broccoli on the menu…. et tu, George!

                                   the dr.

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Msg No: 322.  Thu  5-14-92 13:36  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: Georgie Porgy Pie in the Sky ALSO SEE: 321, 324.

Keep fighting the good fight, Doc.

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Msg No: 332.  Fri  6-05-92  7:00
  From: Kind Bud
    To: All

Subject: Hemp petition

If you haven't had a chance to sign the hemp petition, there will be plenty circulating at the People's Fair this weekend.

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Msg No: 335.  Tue  6-16-92  4:13
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: All

Subject: Perot ALSO SEE: 336, 337.

 Right now, we are waiting for a copy of the hemp proposal that Willie

Nelson will be presenting to Perot within the next week or so. If Perot is the smart businessman that he's supposed to be, with what we've heard of Willie's proposal so far, he won't be able to resist if only because of the greed factor. As soon as we get it, we'll get it posted. It will be interesting to see whether he will come out publicly in favor of legalization.

                                      the dr.

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Msg No: 336.  Tue  6-16-92  8:11  (RECV'D)
  From: Kind Bud
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: Perot ALSO SEE: 335, 338.

Well, we can all cross our fingers, but we shouldn't hold our breath…Perot designed the Texas drug war at the behest of their govenor…and in an interview he stated that, if elected, the Federal drug war would "turn ugly." It's already pretty ugly. Like a lot of folks, Ross sees some portions of the Bill of Rights as "inconvenient." However, as a smart business man, he ought to be able to see the economic potential of hemp. Keep us informed, and thanx for the info. BTW, Rainbow Gathering to be held at Four Corners real soon. Jack Herer should be there.

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Msg No: 337.  Tue  6-16-92  9:45  (RECV'D)
  From: Big Boy
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: Perot ALSO SEE: 335, 339.

Well, don't get Perotnoid if he don't go for it Nyuk Nyuk!

Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner

Msg No: 338.  Tue  6-16-92 17:29  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: Kind Bud

Subject: Perot ALSO SEE: 336.

   Heard about it a few months ago and have had the info on our board in 

the rainbow area ever since. Will u/l a copy of the proposal as soon as we get it in. Have also heard that he will be hard on the urban areas and drugs, but if Willie can convince him the value of hemp as a natural resource is more advantageous than the cost of fighting the drug war and the crime it causes, then maybe we have a chance.

      Also just got in a copy today of the latest DEA decision not to

reschedule marijuana as a drug… will u/l it as soon as I can get it typed up and on the board…

                              the dr.

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Msg No: 339.  Tue  6-16-92 17:31  (RECV'D)
  From: Dr Hemp
    To: Big Boy

Subject: Perot ALSO SEE: 337.

will continue to pray that there is some sense in his small head and it hasn't all flowed out his ears. hehehe!

                                       Peg

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Msg No: 340.  Mon  6-29-92 23:11  (RECV'D)
  From: Hempman
    To: Dr Hemp

Subject: perot-noia! ALSO SEE: 341, 360.

well, how did those mega-meg of files get through to you that i sent months ago?

      i was 1/2 an inch away from going on east coast dead tour, and

would've hit your pad, or rang at least, but owhell!

      .
      .
      .

now about this perot guy, and this other guy whose working on the hemp initiative in colo. and crashing at my pad for the while……ray cristl (oprah winfrey's next door neighbor, of the ever-so-infamous HEMPSTOCK 1991!)….perot had a petition collecting rally here at the capitol, and ray was there with a sign "ROSS PEROT for HEMP/Jesus Saves!",,,ah but perot's men came down on the cops, who then came down on ray with the threat "if you raise that sign above your head, we're gonna arrest you!"… well ray stayed out of jail (false arrest by breach of 1st amendment rights) by waiting til the end of the rally and raising it with everyone else. anyway ray says "hi", and wants to know a little more about maine, "keep up the great work", and "god bless!" (not maine, maryland). . . ah, for those who are petitioning in co., das says we can petition at stapelton airport this week,,,,contact him if you can, i have no # for him. . . also, Jack Herer is hitting THE GATHERING, and then will hemp us petition for a couple weeks or so i hear, i have been instructed to take 100 petitions with me to get to jack (i'm leaving in the morn'), because jack will be doing a colorado hemp circuit (hop from town to town petitioning), and if so…i think i'll go. . . great success! at red rocks for the ozzy concerts (2 nights) with 3 people each night we averaged 200 signatures/person, ended up with about 1000 sigs .!! we need more force, call 470-1100 or 722-9469@@@@@@@@@ Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 341. Sat 7-04-92 20:37 From: Kind Bud To: Hempman Subject: Jack…. ALSO SEE: 340. Any info on Jack's schedule is much appreciated. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 342. Mon 7-06-92 13:27 From: Phineas Faust To: All Subject: I'm not ashamed.. ALSO SEE: 343, 344. Well, friends, I've gotta go to court tomorrow because I got caught pullin' a tube (the cop was peekin' in the window at the time), and I guess they're gonna give me some kind of hassle, but all I've got to say is that I've broken no law in the eyes of God, and the judge and the president and all the wicked representatives of the State can put that in their pipes and smoke it. So There. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 343. Mon 7-06-92 16:14 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Phineas Faust Subject: I'm not ashamed.. ALSO SEE: 342, 345. From what I understand, we got enough to get it on the ballot. So if you go in, take comfort that you should be out come Jan first. That is if Governor Roy (I KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU) Rommer dosen't find a way to kill the will of the people. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 344. Tue 7-07-92 19:08 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Phineas Faust Subject: I'm not ashamed.. ALSO SEE: 342, 346. Give 'em Hell, Phineas! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 345. Wed 7-08-92 14:28 (RECV'D) From: Phineas Faust To: The Foad Subject: I'm not ashamed.. ALSO SEE: 343. Thanx for the kind words, brother Foad. I'm pleased to report that I didn't go in - I sweet-talked the DA and she let me off real easy. Phineas Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 346. Wed 7-08-92 14:30 (RECV'D) From: Phineas Faust To: Kind Bud Subject: I'm not ashamed.. ALSO SEE: 344, 347. Thanx, Kind Bud. I didn't give 'em Hell in court 'cuz I didn't have to, (they put me in the same group with some really dangerous folks who had got caught fishin' without a license), but neither am I going to let The Man intimidate me - a man has to reach a certain level of maturity where he can decide what's right and wrong, and follow his own heart, rather than let the state dictate his actions. I don't go for this fascist 'Everything not compulsory is forbidden' crap, and I don't fall for the mass-media brainwash routine. I prefer to wash my own brain, thank you, and I'd rather wash it in a tub of warm water than spray it with chemicals from DuPont. - Phineas Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 347. Mon 7-20-92 12:11 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Phineas Faust Subject: I'm not ashamed.. ALSO SEE: 346. I'm glad things worked out for ya in court…. Sorry it's taken me so long to respond to you, but I've been up to my neck in busy these days… Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 348. Mon 7-27-92 10:28 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: It's time… It's time to turn in all petitions…..right now! Even if you are holding on to an incomplete petition, turn it in…..let's put Natalie to work! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 349. Tue 7-28-92 14:14 From: Phineas Faust To: All Heads Subject: Jack Herer Did anybody go see Jack Herer in Boulder yesterday? He was (according to reports) at the Wild Oats Vegetarian Market (AKA Crystal Market) on Pearl Street between about 11 am and 1 pm. I didn't get off work until almost one, so by the time I arrived on the scene he was gone. There were a few deadicated heads passing the petition around, and they said that they had been on tour with Jack, and that he was supposed to be back on the mall later that afternoon, so I went away and came back later, but there was still no sign of the dude by 7:30. I guess he just lost track of time. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 350. Sun 8-09-92 22:13 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: The Petition ALSO SEE: 351. Latest word is that we got 60,000 signatures in to Natalie… More as word developes… Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 351. Mon 8-10-92 18:00 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: The Petition ALSO SEE: 350, 352. Hot DAMM!! I had a good feeling. We were short when I left the rally; but there was a steady stream of people showing up to turn in names. If it gets on the ballot, I'm sure we'll make it. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 352. Mon 8-10-92 23:46 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: The Petition ALSO SEE: 351. Yessir! Let's Keep A Good Thought! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 353. Tue 8-11-92 23:28 From: Phineas Faust To: All Subject: The Petition ALSO SEE: 354. Hooray! When the law passes I'm gonna light up a fat spleefand dance a jig on the courthouse lawn! Keepin' me fingers crossed, Phineas Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 354. Fri 8-14-92 8:29 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Phineas Faust Subject: The Petition ALSO SEE: 353, 355. Absolutely…. We should know by August 24th whether we have enough "good" signatures to get on the November ballot… Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 355. Fri 8-14-92 9:26 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: The Petition ALSO SEE: 354, 356. | Absolutely…. | We should know by August 24th whether we have enough "good" signatures to | get on the November ballot… At that time we will get a listing of ALL the sigs, and a report on each one, saying if it is good, and if not, why. OR!!!!!!! if they don't have them counted by then, it goes on to the ballot by default. The moral here….. DON'T be calling up the Secretary of State's office and bugging them. These people seem to be somewhat sympathetic to our cause. But the people who have been calling up demanding to observe the count are pissing them off. If they do shaft us, we have plenty of recourse, and plenty of time to take it. In the mean time, if they get down to two petitions, and they only got time to count one; and certain ASSHOLES continue to call a scream threats and obscenities at them, which one do you thing will get passed onto the ballot, and which one do you think will be gone over with a fine tooth comb? BTW, as I am sure you know, I am not refering to you. The message just got addressd to you cause it's a "responce". See ya tomarrow. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 356. Sat 8-15-92 8:59 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: The Petition ALSO SEE: 355. I agree 100%, even though I was unaware that folks were calling up and making a pain-in-the-ass of themselves…. Out of sight, Out of mind… later. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 357. Mon 8-17-92 8:09 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Just say know… ALSO SEE: 358. Last week Boulder citizens successfully said NO to the War on Drugs… An employee of a Boulder sandwich shop, the YELLO SUB, was accused of mailing psilocybin mushrooms to a friend in Albany, NY….little did she know that her "friend" had been turned into a snitch by the feds….In a particularly ballsy move, the feds then decided to seize the assets of her EMPLOYER! However, due to media coverage and public outcry, the DEA back-peddled and returned the assets. These fascist pigs are just like cockroaches….turn the light on 'em, and they scurry away! On Saturday, the Boulder County Libertarians and the Boulder Hemp Initiative hosted an Eat-In at the Yello Sub to protest these bogus forfeiture laws….quite a crowd showed up, with speakers from all across the country. A shit-load of sandwiches were sold, hopefully enough to help cover the $5,000 legal fees spent by the owner in his battle to keep what was rightfully his to begin with. The tide is turning, and folks are simply tired of this unwinable war. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 358. Mon 8-17-92 10:55 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Just say know… ALSO SEE: 357. One of, if not the most major, tennent of the Quaker faith is witnessing. That's not witnessing in the sense that bible thumpers mean it. What the Quakers belive is that it is the duty and responsibility of all men (and women) to bear witness to evil. IT IS WRONG to turn away from evil, and let it hide. How strong of a truth that is was proved in Boulder last Saturday. Over a hundred people gathered simply to say "We see what you are doing, and you are not fooling anybody." Another sign of just how powerfull this is; Last week I, along with a number of other NORML activests, got a call from a gentleman who said he was head of a group called F.E.A.R. (stood for some kind of anti-seizure thing) and he tried to tell us that the owner of Yellow Sub was involved in drug traficing and money laundering, and that we would be incredibly remiss if we supported this victim of the DEA. Obviously, that is a pile of horse shit. Now I'm not saying this guy was an agent, but I would be happy to entertain any other theories that anybody might have as to this persons motives. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 359. Tue 8-18-92 17:57 (NO KILL) From: The Foad To: All Subject: School's open As all you parents know, school opens this week. And because of the hemp initiative the D.A.R.E. assult is going to be harder than ever. But there is good news! You don't have to let them get their hands on your kids. D.A.R.E. is an extracaricular (← yes it is spelled wrong) activity, and they need your permision to brainwash your child. What? you say you didn't give any permision? Well, sorry, you have given "implied" permission when you enrolled them. The only way to revoke it is in writing. You can either type one up yourself, and have your lawyer check it over for loopholes, or you can dowload Foad's Handy Dandy Keep-Your=Mitts-Offa-My-Kids letter. Just fill in the blanks with basic info, and send three copies with each kid on the first day of school. One for the principal, one for the teacher, and one for the principal to sign and return. soon as the big guy puts it up it will be called "ANTIDARE.LTR". DL it, look it over, and protect your kids minds with it. If you don't, don't blame me when you get hauled off to prison cause your kids turned you in for anti government activity. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 360. Thu 8-20-92 21:28 From: Dr Hemp To: Hempman Subject: perot-noia! ALSO SEE: 340. got your messages on our board great.. have them up and posted with the other meg of info that we have available… Things here in MD are going great! We got word the other day that the state legislature is talking about proposing a bill legalizing cultivation of marijuana for medicinal purposes when the new session starts in January. We look forward to hearing more about it as things progress. Right now, we're in the process of changing addresses. And when we say change, we mean change!! We're moving to Texas. As soon as we get set up there, we'll be logging back on with our new number. We plan to keep the board going as an archive for hempformation. Hopefully, we'll succeed. Keep up the good work in Colo and we look forward to hearing from ya again soon. You might be surprised at our new BBS. the dr. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 361. Sat 8-22-92 18:37 From: Phineas Faust To: All Heads Subject: Where's mine? I was just reading in HT that according to the National Narcotics Intelligence Consumers Committee report (uh… that's the government, right?), 110 million pounds of marijuana is bought and sold in Amerika each year. If that's true, we're averaging about seven ounces of grass for every man, woman and child in the country. But the figures are even better when youu compare it to the government's claim that 20.5 million people smoke - that means that the average toker burns about 5.2 pounds each year. If that's true, I must be waaaaayyyyyy behind! So come on - who's hoarding those extra pounds? - Phineas Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 362. Mon 8-24-92 22:36 From: Ganja King To: All Subject: Hemp For Victory There's a new Hemp BBS on the west coast… help get it off the ground! Call Hemp For Victory! Open 9 PM - 9 AM Pacific Time, 300-9600 BPS V32/42 bis… (619)/441-9949. All opinions welcome! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 363. Tue 8-25-92 6:32 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Natalie…. ALSO SEE: 364. a k a the Sec of State has disallowed a sufficient number of sigs to keep us off the ballot this year….the Hemp Initiative Board is discussing whether to challenge, as we are only about 3,000 short. I'll keep you posted….should have more info in a day or two….this is far from over. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 364. Wed 8-26-92 3:26 (RECV'D) From: Jesus Christ To: Kind Bud Subject: Natalie…. ALSO SEE: 363, 365, 368, 373. | a k a the Sec of State has disallowed a sufficient number of sigs to keep | us off the ballot this year….the Hemp Initiative Board is discussing | whether to challenge, as we are only about 3,000 short. I'll keep you | posted….should have more info in a day or two….this is far from over. I just heard that the HEMP initiative failed (on KOA radio). Can't say that I'm sorry either. I'm not really too concerned about pot so much as the harder drugs. Legalization of pot (not MJ. Let's be honest people, fabric manufacture is NOT the "real" reason you want it legalized… =) isn't going to help combat the drug problem any. "Well it's our bodies right? Why can't we do drugs if we want to?" Speaking from personal experience, there is already TONS of peer pressure on kids to do drugs as it is. Kids are forced into it at a young age. I don't buy the argument that if you legalize it everything will be better. It *is* addictive and it is detrimental to your health (ok, maybe your health is YOUR bussiness, but what about the kids who are pushed into it at 10-14 years of age?) It's basically the same reason people aren't allowed run around in no cloths and have sex in public. This is still a democracy, and the laws are defined by the majority. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 365. Wed 8-26-92 7:20 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Jesus Christ Subject: Source, please… ALSO SEE: 364. You have stated that cannabis is *addictive* and *detrimental* to one's health….please give us the source of this information….cough cough…( Nyuk Nyuk!)hahaha Methinks that three days in the tomb hath left thee brain-damaged. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 366. Wed 8-26-92 14:10 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Hemp 4 Victory BBS ALSO SEE: 367, 369. For lack of something to do, I made some gif ads for that new Hemp For Victory BBS the dude called in and advertised. But, I'm too cheap to call them l.d. and u/l them, any takers? Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 368. Wed 8-26-92 18:45 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Jesus Christ Subject: Wait just a damm minute…. ALSO SEE: 364. | much as the harder drugs. Legalization of pot (not MJ. Let's be honest | people, fabric manufacture is NOT the "real" reason you want it | legalized… =) isn't going to help combat the drug problem any. Just where do you get off telling Kind Bud or anybody else the REAL reason we are doing this?!?!? As a matter of fact, WE ARE doing it for fabric and paper and food, and for that mater even fuel. I can smoke it any time I want to now. What I can't do is buy ecologicly safe paper and cloth. Mabye you should have a talk with Charles Bartwood. Thirty years ago, he was diagnosed with glocoma (sp?). Every day since then he has smoked the about half a joint a day. That is up until 1 year and a half ago. He was arrested for posesion and recived five years. Six months ago, he was hardship released. You see, he is now blind. I suggest you climb out of you safe little government control cocoon and have a look around at the REAL world. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 369. Wed 8-26-92 18:55 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: Hemp 4 Victory BBS ALSO SEE: 366, 370, 371. sure, what's the number? BTW, your first LD call using penny express is only a penny for the first ten minutes. Maybe you could use it to call them. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 370. Thu 8-27-92 9:21 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: The Foad Subject: Hemp 4 Victory BBS ALSO SEE: 369. I already used it to call some adult bbs Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 373. Fri 9-11-92 9:26 (RECV'D) From: T'xai Robles To: Jesus Christ Subject: Natalie…. ALSO SEE: 364, 374. Whoa! Hold on a sec, JC. Your argument is using so much circular logic and is so full of holes as to be almost painful to a logical mind. First, if something is so horrible as to need being outlawed, then you must make a few choices about what kind of law you're going to use to outlaw it. Currently, the law outlawing the use of Marijuana says that it is A)patently dangerous and B) has not legitimate use. Both of these statements are FALSE! First and foremost, the GOVERNMENT, not me, has studies showing that deaths from Marijuana are 0 per year. Compare that to Alcohol, Cigs, cars, etc… Second, there are hundreds of uses. The fact that the constitution was written on it should kinda prove that. Secondly, your argument is that making it legal will let little school children get access to it is both a rediculous statement, and a scare tactic employed by the anti-drug establishment. First, of all the legal drugs available, and pot, I'd much rather find out my son was smoking pot. At least he's not going to be getting drunk and trying to drive. You're usually too mellow to worry about driving when smoking. Are you aware that it was the petro-chemical industry that shoved the bill down your throat saying you couldn't use pot for ANYTHING! Of course they did, it's easier for them to make money offa you. So while our landfills overflow with petro-chemical crapola, the "weed" that could well save the environment is illegal, and will get you SENT TO JAIL for just smoking it. Do you really believe that if a person of otherwise good standing is caught smoking pot, a productive member of society at that, should go from making $30,000 a year, to COSTING $32,000 a year? That is insane, we simply cannot afford anyone else in prison unless they really deserve to be there. We are not talking about nameless faceless statistics, but REAL people, with REAL lives. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 378. Tue 10-13-92 18:22 From: Phineas Faust To: All Subject: Where is everybody? ALSO SEE: 379. It seems as though nobody's posted here since the Hemp Initiative was knocked down. Was the initiative officially defeated at the petition stage? Regardless of all that, some of us still haven't lost interest. I'm sure there's still plenty to discuss in this forum. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 379. Wed 10-14-92 19:59 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Phineas Faust Subject: Where is everybody? ALSO SEE: 378, 380. I kept meaning to put something up here. First. Yes it is dead for this year. Note that I said "this year." We learned a lot of things about the system and how to deal with it. Next time we'll have 'em. It is inportant to remember that we had more than enough signatures. So next time around we can take our support and what we learned and nail 'em in the butt. Second. We are starting a Medical Hemp initave in Denver. We only 5000 names to get it on the ballot in '93, and we can take as long as we need so we will have plenty of time to deal with the crap. This will legalize it within the Denver city limits, provided the posseser has a perscription for it. It will also instruct the mayor to ordr the cheif of police to make hemp proabition enforcement the lowest priority. Even below parking. Third. Kind Bud is computerless for the next mont or so. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 380. Thu 10-15-92 15:27 (RECV'D) From: Phineas Faust To: The Foad Subject: Encouraging… ALSO SEE: 379. Yes, it's great that medical hemp initiatives are being introduced in so many places. They tell me it has a good chance of passing this year in Santa Cruz and some other cities. The real good thing is that as soon as the government acknowledges that cannabis has valid medical uses, marijuana will no longer fit the DEA's definition of a schedule I controlled substance. Vive la revolution! Messages on tap (some may be pvt.): #1 to 380. You last read #380.

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